Maurice

Yes we had a spate of these a while back. It's some sort of estate kids/gang type craze. Either that or the junkies are fighting back and find counter-petitions a weak weapon.

Law is indeed a noble profession. I put estate agents in the same category as recruitment consultants. Both are necessary evils - you hate them until you need them. I also know the 80/20 rule of stereotypes apply. It isn't that stereotypes of estate agents are dangerous because they mis-judge the 80%, but because we may mis-judge the 20% exceptions. If estate agents and recruiters would increase their focus on customer service by about 10 degrees, there would be recast as closer to noble professions, no doubt.

Yes Kennington prices are much higher than ED, though some comparable to Camberwell Grove (with a bit of downsizing). Borough lacks the lovely housing stock I crave and 'village' feel. No streets of well looked after, period houses with lots of green nestled just in the middle of urban living. Admitedly ED is suburban regardless of what Ken says. So is Clapham. Or maybe Clapham is its own urban area removed from the true urban London.

I think West Elephant & Castle or 'North Kennington' is lovley. The area around the Imperial War Museum. Terribly well connected and the regeneration will help ensure the most vunerable are taken care of while giving a reality check to those abusing the system. A bit south in Kennington is lovely. It seems to trump ED. I visited yesterday because that's where all estate agents are and that bit certainly gives LL a run for its money.

Ta Alan. Doesn't fit the brief. I would've thought you would rally to my defense being rejected in your own land and all. Chin up while they take swipes over among the Camberwell e-chatting classes.

I do like East Dulwich and since you won't annex Camberwell Grove, I'm thinking of a move. I would like to stay in South London relatively close to Central London. I want good transport and to enjoy my local offerings, without feeling unsafe and disillusioned. Does ED win the South London crown? Or are other bright spots nearby ahead of ED in terms of best places to live in central, but south London? P.S. Chav I'm sure I can sign you up to assist in my move?

It's revenge against our Labour stronghold for decades: what do Lib Dems and Conservatives actually agree on? Punishing Labour!

I'm not sure why we need a petition asking the PCT and local authority to simply follow their accepted procedures for proper consultation. I'm not sure why people who want a fair hearing are Nazi's. My recollection is the Nazi's weren't for a fair hearing and instead believed a small group should make decisions for the masses sans any consultation.

Poor thieves and vandals. I blame the car owners.

Yes emotive indeed. I think you'll find I never had negative posts re: junkies. What I think you'll find is that you never had any positive posts about families with children who simply want more information and proper consultation. All deserve a fair hearing. No one has suggested otherwise and no one has advocated anything that wouldn't have been compassionate to your personal circumstances in the right measure.

Slam dunked by a chav. My just desserts. I think most folks out there see my way. I want addicts to get help in communities where they live. But they've made some bad choices and the road to recovery won't be easy. I don't understand why those who made better choices and children have to lay down like doormats so they can have a second, third or fourth chance. But chav puts their rights before all others and yes, I suppose that's a left wing slam dunk. I'm feeling guilty....

I'd agree with many of those. Vote for those who represent your views and, like in this case, when consultation is opened (assuming it is done correctly as is not the case it appears here) add your voice and views. See? Everyone happy now.

If indeed the subsidies ended in the last month or so then I am wrong. My last read was a few month's back as they struggled with extending (yet again) the subsidy, which was due to end a few year's back? I don't criticise Bellenen (sorry about the 'o') but find it a fascinating case study.

Apologies all 'round if I offend, but I am a member of the community with valid views. Bellendon, in my opinion, is a white middle class enclave propped up by subsidy. Read their reports. It's all there in black and white. The plan to ween them off funding has failed. On topic, as (properly) chided by the Admin, I believe there is a valid argument to consider taxpayers should have a say in how their money is spent. Therefore a proper consultation re: the Syringe Exchange should allow those living nearby a say. As for the admin's input, I do believe mine have been factual arguments (with some admitted colourful language), while others chided do seem to get personal and have a lot of anger about opposing views. But I've a thick skin admin. I sleep well at night.

All a bit naive. The Library is not in the best state now, and it's been only a few years. Your leftwing rant failed to dispel my logic - entertaining as it was. A little substance please. Your whole point was tax dollars benefit me as much as anyone else because 'council's pour millions to gentrify communities'. That simply isn't true. Full Stop. Not true. Gov't money in Southwark alone has poured into Peckham and still is being used today to subsidise to keep things alive that on paper, the Council's own plan, should've weened off. As for ED, it continues to thrive because investment breeds more investment and on paper, and this can't be disputed, the invested tax money has spawned a huge return of more tax money. Julie Burchill your comedic writing all you like, but facts is facts.

Yep. The biggest to date has been Peckham. And Elephant is on the horizon to lead the UK. In the case of ED, all investment (our tax money) has been paid back probably 10 fold by taxes paid by the new businesses and property values increasing. That's gentrification. A little investment by Gov't (tax) pays back huge. Regeneration is when our tax money pays to improve areas destroyed by those living there. It doesn't really pay for itself. It's basically a subsidy. Peckham. My favourite is Bellendon, which falls in the middle. Subsidy to prop up a white middle class enclave and it still can't stand on its own. We're still subsidizing. A bit of an exception.

I have no problem finding an solution that ensures drug rehabilitation for those in need. Surely we all want that. The alternative is far worse. But why in this debate must we automatically assume those suffering the ill effects of drug abuse are to have rights far and above those who are now a) paying for their rehab and other strains on the system and b) children with no voice of their own. I think there is reasonable thought in the middle here. But those on the extreme of 'give drug abusers paramount rights' are as silly as those saying 'no drug rehab in my backyard'.

You wouldn't last two weeks running a community group Chav - you all just stand on the sidelines and throw rocks when people try. My hyperpole may not be helpful, I concede, but it was in response to equally unhelpful hyperpole. Get that law degree Chav, a mortgage, a family, and you'll soon come round to holding people responsible for their actions and a more tough love mentality.

Ah. So we could all save a lot of money and time if we left community issues up to a very small band of enlightened intellectuals like yourself who believe the masses are not intelligent enough to know what is best. Thank you all so much.

Oh get off your high horse Chav. A group of residents dare involve themselves in representative Government by demanding proper consultation and because it goes against your hippy beliefs, the group are deemed the bad guys. By your logic, the people who get themselves into a mess should be able to pillage those who have worked hard and created a decent community. Wise up. And what's wrong with putting services for the vunerable in estates? They are owned by us, the taxpayers, and should be reserved for vunerable people who genuinely need help in many areas. Once they are on their own two feet, they shouldn't be there anymore.

No prices yet. You can leave your details to get the brochure hot off the press, though they may already be marketing them in the Far East, which is the usual procedure.

One more funny. I phone St George marketing dept. I say 'tell me about this new development called Grove Road'. She tells me a bit and I say 'is that in Camberwell'. She says, technically yes but it is much more East Dulwich really. Love it.

I had to add a somewhat serious point to this. Your syringe debate shows why I want to move into ED. In a matter of minutes dozens were out debating and those on different sides were rounding up troops off this board who can and will have an impact on a local issue. Whatever your views, ED has leadership for a community voice. Camberwell does not. A few talk ideas and such, but no momentum, no voice, no progress.

Which? Camberwell Alan. Keep up ;-)

Ah come on Ted Max. We have a syringe exchange programme next to a childcare centre here already so you could argue 'already got one, don't need another'. I've been to third world countries. Feels like walking in Camberwell.