cella

Certainly hope that's the case but we should expect some sort of yellow vesting from a range of groups whichever way it goes - the pressure's been building for so long and any decision on anything is going to affect the whole country long termm.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As I said earlier, this is peak ED Forum. The OP > and Cella being the winners thus far. Why not just own it and move on rather than this defensive poor mans divide and rule.

jimbo1964 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'll keep my eyes peeled for the bastard. And what then?

singalto Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Cabinet minister who will allegedly make the > final decision is up to his eye balls in Brexit, > HS2 etc. He may well have never been to or even > heard of ED. I suspect the decision has already > been made and yesterday?s shambolic meeting was to > try and pretend we have a voice. The drop kerb > white lines are going to be replaced with double > yellows extended by two metres at each end. Yet > the woman from the council insisted that it would > create 40% more parking! Singalto - it might be better to familiarise yourself with the processes involved before you post on here and criticise experienced elected councillors. It's exactly this sort of knee jerk reactions that has got us into the Brexit fiasco.

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Robert Poste's Child Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Sue Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > This person must surely have been mentally > > ill? > > > > > > Why do you feel the need to say this? It's a > > > horrible thing to have happened to Jamie > > whatever > > > was going on with the perpetrator. > > > > > > Yes, of course it was a horrible thing to have > > happened. > > > > What in my post made you think I have anything > but > > sympathy for the victim? > > > > ETA: A post above says the hammer attack "was > the > > culmination of a period of harrassment by the > > perpetrator whose hair Jamie had cut but wasn't > > happy with it". > > > > My point was that that was not normal behaviour > > and therefore there may have been a reason for > the > > attack other than pure malice and aggression. > I'm > > sorry if I didn't express it very well, but I > > don't think it is irrelevant to the thread. > > I really dislike the casual labelling of mental > illness many people still go in for whenever > someone does something they don't consider > acceptable behaviour - it doesn't help the > situation and just makes anyone who does have > mental health problems feel even more stigmatised. > I'm sure we've had this conversation before, > though, and I saw someone else made a similar > point on a different thread the same day. Agreed. I was trying to point this out to Edcam.

With the Ops original post I suppose I just picked up on her emotional stance of having various small businesses with maybe customer theft possibly contributing to them not working out and her feeling she didn't want to stand idly by in other stores.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cella Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > There seems to be an air from some > > posters of needing to stay out of it if shop > staff > > don't seem bothered. > > How about staying out of it if the shop's official > policy is that people are allowed to put their > shopping in their own bags instead of baskets or > trolleys? > > > You also cannot say with any > > certainty that no theft took place. > > Even BusyBody admitted that they saw the person > paying for their items at the checkout. Come to > that you can't say with any certainty that any > person we see leaving a store hasn't pinched > anything, perhaps a vigilante group should be > formed to search everyone as they leave and force > them to account (in a "firm but polite manner" of > course) for everything in their bags? That would be a little extreme maybe. It just seems that there's been a shift in attitudes by some customers that it's down to the store to challenge them if they think theft has occurred rather than just adopt a cooperative approach for the very short time they are in a store. Stores do seem to be more resigned to writing off some theft but we all end up paying in the end. It's the "nobody is going to tell be how to behave" sense of entitlement I don't like.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That particular poster appears to have a few > issues, judging by a brief glance at their posting > history. Probably best not to feed the troll. > > rendelharris Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > cella Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > There seems to be an air from some > > > posters of needing to stay out of it if shop > > staff > > > don't seem bothered. > > > > How about staying out of it if the shop's > official > > policy is that people are allowed to put their > > shopping in their own bags instead of baskets > or > > trolleys? > > > > > You also cannot say with any > > > certainty that no theft took place. > > > > Even BusyBody admitted that they saw the person > > paying for their items at the checkout. Come to > > that you can't say with any certainty that any > > person we see leaving a store hasn't pinched > > anything, perhaps a vigilante group should be > > formed to search everyone as they leave and > force > > them to account (in a "firm but polite manner" > of > > course) for everything in their bags? Strangely I was thinking the same about your challenging posting history... Maybe be a bit more compassionate before you post simplistically about mental health.

If you reread I was referring to Passiflora's comment. There seems to be an air from some posters of needing to stay out of it if shop staff don't seem bothered. You also cannot say with any certainty that no theft took place. There have been other threads on here about the seemingly complacent views by supermarkets and their security staff towards open theft. Surely we are better than that.

civilservant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Passiflora Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > to report what was going on but > > was met with complacency by the co-op workers. > > what 'was' going on? > a man was putting things into a container which > wasn't a shopping basket > that's all > > did he then walk out without paying? > > if the shop staff weren't bothered, is there an > issue? > > what a self-righteous attention-seeking to-do from > the OP Surely there's an issue? There seems to be a complacency about shoplifting with some on here.

Sounds painful!

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My decision to vote to leave had NOTHING to do > with immigration. > > Long before there was any inkling of Brexit I > supported the idea of Turkey joining the E.U. (60 > million) > to the extent that way back in 2000-2002 (3 > years) I went to Evening Classes to learn the > Turkish Language. > > I was just fed up with the EU telling me I could > no longer buy Potatoes by the pound. > and all the other trivial rules and regulations. > > > My vote was a protest vote. I never thought for > one minute Brexit would ever actually happen. > If there were to be a second referendum I would > not take part. > > DulwichFox Frightening that this sort of reasoning and voting had the result we are now all struggling with.

A joke? No quite the opposite. Dislike the "mad people" type of language.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cella Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Carrying a few items to the till sounds fine to > me > > as it's visible. I'm more intrigued by people > > deliberately not using the store > baskets/trolleys. > > Just plonking your own folded bags into theirs > > seems less work than unpacking then repacking > at > > the till. > > You don't think the fact that the supermarkets > themselves (or at least Sainsbury's) have > absolutely no objection to this practice makes > your objection to it just a wee bit redundant? I'm not necessarily objecting to it - just intrigued why people choose not to use baskets provided. Feel more strongly about eating stuff before paying tbh.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What an odd comment. It's a shame if my > phraseology doesn't pass muster for you but I find > it quite difficult to give two hoots what you > think. > > cella Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > edcam Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Thanks rendellharris for confirmation that > > > although some people are clearly quite mad, > at > > > least Sainsbury's aren't. > > > > Your phraseology isn't great. > > Carrying a few items to the till sounds fine to > me > > as it's visible. I'm more intrigued by people > > deliberately not using the store > baskets/trolleys. > > Just plonking your own folded bags into theirs > > seems less work than unpacking then repacking > at > > the till. It's obvious you don't care about your language - defiantly so.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks rendellharris for confirmation that > although some people are clearly quite mad, at > least Sainsbury's aren't. Your phraseology isn't great. Carrying a few items to the till sounds fine to me as it's visible. I'm more intrigued by people deliberately not using the store baskets/trolleys. Just plonking your own folded bags into theirs seems less work than unpacking then repacking at the till.

Personally, I think customers should pay before they eat stuff in shops. It's more transparent and must be easier for the staff to deal with if goods are in the baskets provided. Sometimes I see parents giving food to their kids in trolleys and then discarding the wrappers so often wonder if that gets paid for as there nothing to show at the till. If only seems to happen in supermarkets, not the smaller independents, so maybe there's an element of "big business can afford it".

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do bear with Tradespeople - a lot of their time is > currently spent listening to the Brexit debate on > Fivelive or LBC and then having to phone in or > text their views. Cabbies are under even more > pressure. Eh? Again.....

Exdulwicher - you lost me at the jumping red lights bit. Assume from your title you no longer live in these parts - phew!

Fumo or Cote, both in St Martins Lane.

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This morning I saw the great big yellow and orange > fire ball come up over the horizon. > > Then later these droplets of water fell from the > sky. > > Then it all went dark. > > Biblical or what? Did anyone else see anything > amazing? At it again? Your posts are bonkers most of the time - why bother?

Maybe/hopefully!

You're using extreme examples but these things are daily regular occurrences. Just a few each day is more than enough. I use the ED Road junction several times a day at differing times from really early till really late so have come to expect it. Lots of occurrences in the newly bus free Rye Lane too, particularly at the lower end where they are currently working on the road.

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rendelharris Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Very well put rrr. Like you, I have never been > > "nearly runover" by a cyclist ("nearly runover" > of > > course means "wasn't runover"). I simply don't > > recognise these descriptions of pavements > swarming > > with cyclists; I walk round the area a lot and > see > > maybe one a week, if that. You're quite right, > it > > is all about perceptions - one cyclist running > a > > red (not that I condone that) is observed as > more > > heinous than a hundred cars driving in excess > of > > the speed limit - that doesn't even register as > > something that's happening for most people. > > Not the case. Unfortunately (have posted on this > previously)I have been cannoned into twice on the > pavements from behind - simply cyclists choosing > to ride the busy pavement on ED Road to cut across > by the children's play area - I fell over and both > sped off when they realised what they'd done > without a backward glance to check I was ok. Also > am fairly often obliged to get out of the way of > people cycling on pavements. Loads of experiencing > shouty cyclists going through red lights, mainly > at the junction of CP Road. So wrong. "Not the case" - just because you or friends haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen - clearly it does. "So wrong" - I feel it's disingenuous to say that not much cycling happens on pavements/going through red lights - quite the reverse in my opinion and so wrong. The cyclists were on the pavement before cutting through to the shared route near the playground - that was the problem

I was in Rye Lane today and it did feel quite eerie - until that is 2 boy racers, at different times, screeched up the lane enjoying the comparative freedom. Luckily nothing was in the way. Lots more cycles too on certain stretches of pavements along the way.