StraferJack

So many preferences (mine is streaky bacon) and all valid enough but the big no no for me is that wan, wet, flaccid bacon that some places serve - like it's been boiled, but not even to cooked status really rubbish uber-thin, half-water bacon is a no no as well Bread has to be white Sauce is over-embellishment, but if I'm in the mood it'll be Franks Hot Sauce

cross-posted with Penguin..soz for any overlap

Several different strands to this debate now Treehugger: a once a month film club in a room above a pub is often a lovely thing and long may it continue. But a local indie-cinema it isn?t. And a recent film choice just wasn?t that popular for whatever reason. One film a month means all eggs in one basket use-wise What people seem to be saying they want is something like a smaller Ritzy ? dedicated cinema, open regularly, new films weekly yadda yadda As I and others have said, people will say they want something like that, but there doesn?t appear to be the footfall or location in this area But then woodrot comes along with another thread and says he has knowledge of exactly that happening We?ll see

"I know because I've asked for it to be shut ,have even shut it myself but it is always immediately re opened by the staff who are not allowed to let it remain shut ." a) why would you do that? b) when do you get to be in William Rose when the door can't be shut because of people queuing out the door

Crown and greyhound menu http://www.thecrownandgreyhound.co.uk/pdf/specialmenus/thecrownandgreyhounddulwich-dn12repodailymenu-20130201.pdf Plough menu http://www.theploughdulwich.co.uk/pdf/specialmenus/theploughdulwich-dn12retrodailymenu-20130201.pdf Chef is redundant. New "person to blame when customers complain about the food" would be more accurate Same goes for youngs pubs like the clock house.

Sue There are no chefs at Mitchell and butler Pubs. They are sent the food and meals from central warehouse and instructed on exactly how to heat up and present on the plate If you felt you wanted to be the chef there, you wouldn't be able to cook anything you wanted to.

anyone else lost the will to "eat out in east dulwich" yet? DaveR tried to get back on topic and yet... Given that most people's tastes are different enough, asking for "good places" without context is going to lead to some dissapointments Most of the places people have mentioned already merit inclusion, but anyone who has anything good to say about food at the Crown & Greyhound or Plough shows the problem with this kind of thing (do go to those pubs by the way - I like them. Just don't eat in them) then again, if you say something like "before we moved here we lived in Marleybone and just loved the prince regent" then you wil lbe more than happy with the food in those pubs

"Er, I remain in a small minority no doubt, who don,t want the tube down here." don't know if it's a small minority, but I'm in the same group

Prices on display before you make your selection = possibly overpriced No prices on display and shock when you receive the bill = rip-off But it was the former surely?

you'd have to wonder (at national or canton level) what the problem is with the swiss and women's rights tho the seventies before they got the vote fercryinoutloud. the 1970s!

mrs strafer wanted to go to Switzerland for the Monkees reunion gig. I didn't believe, but then I saw her face and now I'm in Geneva (ahem) used to work fairly regularly in Geneva - most people I met lived in France and travelled in because they couldn't afford to live in Switzerland. It's quite pretty. A bit dull. People seemed nice enough but unremarkable. Which does rather suggest plenty going on underneath so, in summary... Dulwich Village

To roadtest, the ikea one is often to be found in childrens' playrooms (florence pub for example) and my daughter adores it. So that's the one we got for Christmas and over a month later I'm still getting "freshly cooked" meals every day. Whole tomatoe in milk? delicious

100% what el pibe said but I'm not convinced this thread doesn't exist purely as some sort of woodrot-in-post-ironic-nimby-Khat-inspired schtick, albeit one that proves his point by actually becoming a thread where people bore on about their drug stories

" as structurally A+E's in South London is deemed over supply (again, I don't know if that is true)." in your experience as a customer of A&E's generally, or with pregnant women you know, do they seem over or under supply? Because people who use them appear to be saying they are undersupplied

here you go MarkE http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,69333,987914#msg-987914

More than any other nearby country? More than Irish?

Just to have a look at recent years (let's say from the financial collapse - remember that?) at a few neighbouring countries London mayoral stats re: populations graph attached What's so special about the French numbers? Not much I would suggest And in a global financial organisation where I work, not many bright young French people, no. Some... the usual ratio you would expect from any country. but "stuffed full"?. So fair enough, maybe they are coming here and entering other professions - but not many as for that "6th largest French city"? - some debunking here http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/more-like-colmar-on-thames/ now those numbers differe from the mayors office ones shown above but the point remains And what about the flip side? http://www.anglaisimmobilier.com/

"Ever noticed how London is stuffed full of ambitious, talented French youth? Just one of them things I guess.." Genuinely I haven't. And now you've pointed it out..still nope

Ooh are we talking celebs and that? Odd then to ignore the examples of Stephen king or kk Rowling (first billionaire to be delisted as such for giving money away) and instead talking about a man convicted of assault and drink driving for befriending Putin. And all the while talking about morals? And principles? So quick to condemn so many, but depardieu gets a pass? "He was generating much needed income for French economy?" How much exactly? He says he has paid 145 million euro over 45 years. On what income? In the current climate he claims he is suffering? Compared to who? Not saying I would introduce that high a rate of tax. But with that money given choice between paying it or becoming an apologist for putin? Please...

yup - same here but some people will base their decision to go or not go on that one factor

LondonMix ". Good food does not necessitate a filty kitchen. " of course not - I'm not advocating filthy kitchens. I'm just saying a 5 star rating doesn't mean better food than a zero or 1 star I used that list to highlight the opposite of what nimby was saying ie why would someone interested in a clean kitchen provide bland food?

I understand what the promises are. Does it not bother you that they might not happen? Not from any ideological viewpoint. But from a "history shows.." perspective

Too many a and e s for what tho? And with all due respect to successful treatment of stroke victims, what percentage of a and e admissions is that? Is there a parallel where a service looks at people queuing out the door and concludes "what we can do to better serve these people is shut up shop?" Rationalisation is such a vague, aspirational term. Who could disagree But shutting down a whole hospital with long queues? At leat with firemen there is the argument "well, they spend x % doing nowt so..." Unless I see doctors, nurses and patients united in support of closures I'm still smelling something more than "rationalisation"

". I don't think there is anything insulting or bad about acknowledging that. I actually think its condescending to assume the general public can only understand fire in the belly rhetoric." I never said any such thing about the general public. I said history turned. Quite different Anyway. Nick Triggle. I should care about his opinion because A) he is pro privatisation Or B ) he presents a compelling case ? Edited because a capital B and close bracket make a smiley. Tsk

This debate is making me increasingly uncomfortable There is a condecension in the "logic and reason" comments I can't abide - as if history has been shaped by logic and reason alone, and not fire in the belly rhetorical types let's take "I have been trying to find a credible argument against the closure " Was anyone on here suggesting it should be closed before the report? No. So if a report is commissioned and examined, it should be exemplary in it's case Basically - if an average Joe is waiting 2-3 hours in A&E and there is a cost-saving way of providing a better service then it should be piss-easy to demonstrate. And the average Joe will sign up straight away I haven't seen that example in any report and certainly not in the Mike Farrar column so eagerly highlighted by some posters. If you want an example of aspirational, management-speak, meaningless waffle then by all means be inspired by it. There is nothing factual, logical or persuasive in anything he says But I don't mind being wrong - and it will be easy to prove me wrong. In a year or two you can simply vox pop the happy punters in Lewisham who say "do you know what? I don't know what all the fuss was about?" This won't happen of course just as with PFI back in the 90s, opponents are asked to "come up with a better plan" - as if they had a problem in the first place here is what happens in situations like this (applies to any large org, private, public, whatever) Costs ARE important. So important that any twonk who comes up with a "bold initiative" is eagerly heard out. The downsides are downplayed, a report is produced and the onus falls on opponets to prevent a fait accompli from happening If it all goes tits up, enought "other factors" abound and can be blamed If nothing goes too badly wrong, the success is entirely down to the policy A large American bank outsources it's IT 10 years ago in the face of strong opposition - logic isn't ALLOWED when decisions are made at this level. BUt it was presented anyway. And dismissed. A short few years later the same bank quietly insourced the same functions, for all the reasons dismissed as "emotive" at the time this smells people know it smells and if they lack access to all of the facts, or the articulacy to persuade others it doesn't make them wrong