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I love that bloke

I'm still breaking even

Clowns...it's been a while, but they're back methinks

Tate Modern - free and the space and slope to run around in Summer - Ruskin Park paddling pool and Myatt Fields fantastic water park thingy (both free)

In fact, and although I'm generalising, on average independent grocers/butchers and other retailers are GENERALLY far better than the ones that preceded them...those that survived upped their game and newbies saw they had to offer competition to the big boys. In areas that aren't competing purely on price independents (although there are less of them) depend to be far better in terms of quality/service/range etc than before the 'evil supermarkets'* *see also banks

Lady M when I reached 1000 posts on the forum I posted it and then 1001.....I think you missed yours (1600ish already) watch and learn ;-)

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's the "evil bankers" - and by the way I am not > one - who have largely underpinned the massive > expansion in public spending in the last 10 years > (it's doubled in real terms...er pity that's not > been matched in service) as well as much of > London's economy. We can talk about the unfairness > of it all and wether it is right to have an > economy this inbalanced etc etc until the cows > come home but in REAL LIFE how are we going to > replace those tax receipts? and how do you think > all the related jobs supported by the city > directly such as legal/management consultancy, > avccountncy. commercial property, surveying etc > etc or indirectly - retail/restaurants, hey even > art (not all bankers are philistines) are going to > do if we discourage it? To keep levels of public > spending even vaguely near to where they've been, > we need a flourishing Financial Service sector > including ludicrous hedgefund plonkers earning > millions, sadly, the outlook of many people in the > city doesn't tend to be to the greater good and > their jobs are utterly transferaable > internationally - until we rebalance our economy a > tax that says bugger off rich people and won't > really raise much at a potential risk to the most > important tax raiser of the last 15 year or so > just for the sake of politics looks stupid...but > eh we're suckinh it to those terrible bankers. > > Now, if you argue that the current meltdown is > all because of this madness and subsequent bubble, > and it's a reasonable argument, then we better > strip out the effect that it's had on our current > situation and that includes personal wealth, our > assets and the economy as a whole, governemnt > spending - so it all will be reduced by about a > third but at least we won't have the terrible city > and those ghastly bankers...or chintzy little > bistros, or cute knick knack shops, or skiing > holidays...well any holidays abroad, but we'll all > be morally better. > > Scapegoatery and hypocracy..... again :))

I suspect we'll make a profit on the 'bail out' of RBS and Lloyds/Halifax in time.

Global finance is highly competitive and er global...it's about, er, horrible word but 'brand' London in that highly competitive market for the employees and big financial institutions and high value smaller businesses like Hedge funds. One year WILL push and has pushed some of the high value traders and funds away and they won't come back once they've moved. Either we have a share of this 'obscenity' or we don't but without it we'll be significantly poorer - country, government individuals.Fine if that's what we want...

I thouth this was about americans...

Who said it was LadyM - but in overall terms it's just a small drop, people will go, companies will go and it sends out a message that London isn't a place for wealth generators....in the long run that will effect us all. Sean - your place not stuffed full of people who weren't born here? Owe nothing to this country in terms of health and education? I'd be surprised if they were all raised here....."Haey we're imposing an additional new tax on your bonus from the British Govt...hey, I've always liked the look of Geneva" - who are targeteing our Investment Banking companies overtly. Plenty of people who earn huge bonuses can demontrate massive individual profits on their individual trading records they are not all culpable by any means so ypour low earners thing I just don't get. Seriously, Let's impose a 50% additional tax on anyone whose made a profit on their escalated house price greed and speculation in the housing market is just as much to blame. Sean, though you work for one you're not a banker are you mate? And most don't share your well meaning altruism. You should know that many bankers are greedy, resent tax, have very little altruism and will potentially go abroad as will theire companies and people looking to enter investment banking or international finance will think London is anti it as a result. We, all of us, have benefited from this sector for years, without it there will be a huge gap in revenues, a massive CA defeceit, a collapse in housing market, increased unemployment, especially in London. This is at risk for a purely political tax to get the herd to go 'yah boo bankers' and it works....as this thread tends to demonstrate, London will be absolutely buggered if it loses its position as a major international finance centre and this takes that risk. Crap tax, wrong message, risks harming our economy and all of us. Don't have to be keen on bankers to see that. P

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SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wasn't there a Bolton player on the ground for > several minutes about 10 minutes after that > incident, with Bolton in possession and they never > once kicked it out of play? Seems a bit > hypocritical of them to shout "unfair" that maybe. But the fact that they should hsve had a freekick and Gallas off with a red rather thsn a goal against is mainly what they are moaning about. Can you imagine what Wegner would be saying?

Another junior Hammer! Congrats to you all.

It's the "evil bankers" - and by the way I am not one - who have largely underpinned the massive expansion in public spending in the last 10 years (it's doubled in real terms...er pity that's not been matched in service) as well as much of London's economy. We can talk about the unfairness of it all and wether it is right to have an economy this inbalanced etc etc until the cows come home but in REAL LIFE how are we going to replace those tax receipts? and how do you think all the related jobs supported by the city directly such as legal/management consultancy, avccountncy. commercial property, surveying etc etc or indirectly - retail/restaurants, hey even art (not all bankers are philistines) are going to do if we discourage it? To keep levels of public spending even vaguely near to where they've been, we need a flourishing Financial Service sector including ludicrous hedgefund plonkers earning millions, sadly, the outlook of many people in the city doesn't tend to be to the greater good and their jobs are utterly transferaable internationally - until we rebalance our economy a tax that says bugger off rich people and won't really raise much at a potential risk to the most important tax raiser of the last 15 year or so just for the sake of politics looks stupid...but eh we're suckinh it to those terrible bankers. Now, if you argue that the current meltdown is all because of this madness and subsequent bubble, and it's a reasonable argument, then we better strip out the effect that it's had on our current situation and that includes personal wealth, our assets and the economy as a whole, governemnt spending - so it all will be reduced by about a third but at least we won't have the terrible city and those ghastly bankers...or chintzy little bistros, or cute knick knack shops, or skiing holidays...well any holidays abroad, but we'll all be morally better. Scapegoatery and hypocracy.....

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Back on topic. > > Cam on you GANNERS.... > > We are top a da league.....??? Not if it carries on like this.....

daizie- your propscetive god childrens would work even better

update He's been freed

Borough market can be hideously crowded for a 3 year old especially...if you do go up that way I'd recommend walking upto Tate Modern - 3 year old will love running up and down the ramp, the current intillation is good too, big scary unlit metal box that you can walk into plus more structured activities for the 9 year old and look at some art...I've claimed the Matisse/Pollocks and Picassos as my own work to my 4 year old

Two of my kids woke up around this time without us knowing why....so maybe it's not the booze

All good points Sean, agree. As Magpie points out, a lot of emotion about a multi-national company whose workforce is largely outside of the UK and whose 'value add' is largely in marketing...confectionary is hardly the cutting edge of modern manufacturing. We are still good in some high value sectors - Design, hi-tech manufacturing, Aerospace, Armanents (not making any moral judgement on this), top end education, biotechnology, pharmacuticals, creative services, etc and dare I say it now still Financial Services. Despite tending towards non-intervention I would like the state to incentivise and encourage more investment in alternative energy sources as we need badly to get decent skills/technology and knowledge in the 'green economy'.

Bruce Springsteen's still crap tho :))

The latter (but I mean stuff a bit less obvious than DSOTM)...still not convinced by it either. But I'm getting a disturbing liking for 1970s westcoast folk/rocky stuff...and trying a bit of british 70s heavy metal Deep Purple/Sabbath which I used to hate. Also Neil Young and Bob Dylan who as a 15 year old I dimissed as "Hippy sh1t", I love now, although that's been the case for a fair while (ie 20+ years!).

I think most West Ham fans are happy with some stability and that the financial 'meltdown' now probably won't happen. If we don't sell anyone we 'should' stay up too. I'm not sure that they're completley assured about G&S but beggars & choosers etc. I still wonder how many clubs are likely to unravel - Pompey/Wigan/Hull......Man U/Liverpool??? Personally, I'd love it if Chelsea went bust. It appears Arsenal are the only top club who have done it properly and deserve some acknowledgement for that.

To get a 100 on a thread you started is a special thing - respect to Lady M