SeanMacGabhann

Oh everything isn't perfect by any means and I agree we are short of a couple of world-clas players And yet and yet... they don't just grow on trees and buying them means we lose that financial restraint. And even then, buying them guarantees you nothing. On balance I like what we do - even if weeks like this frustrate the hell out of me

geez - just over a week ago we had a couple of on the bounce wins to put us breathing down Chelsea's neck and were set fair Just a week later and because of 2 bad defeats (which doesn't put us out of anything) people are saying Wenger should go? This whole 5 years without a medal business.. trust me, when Wenger does go Arsenal will enter a period of significant decline, and all Arsenal fans will pine for his reign again. In that 5 years we have come close on a number of occassions despite moving stadiums and paying off that debt. The club is consistently there or thereabouts and is financially secure and self-sufficient in a way no other club at the top is I only hope he chooses when to go and doesn't get pushed out by fickle punters.

geez - just over a week ago we had a couple of on the bounce wins to put us breathing down Chelsea's neck and were set fair Just a week later and because of 2 bad defeats (which doesn't put us out of anything) people are saying Wenger should go? This whole 5 years without a medal business.. trust me, when Wenger does go Arsenal will enter a period of significant decline, and all Arsenal fans will pine for his reign again. In that 5 years we have come close on a number of occassions despite moving stadiums and paying off that debt. The club is consistently there or thereabouts and is financially secure in a way no other club at the top is I only hope he chooses when to go and doesn't get pushed out by fickle punters.

I don't think it's about amounts of money Mick I thinks it's about a culture. If the man on the street wasn't so happy with piling on his own little (or indeed relatively large) debt then the big guys wouldn't have had the ecosystem to thrive.

Karter It's nowt to do with money. When someone has plain cuckoo as tarot starts rabbiting shite people have to correct them. I mean.... Ireland was part of a union with Britain, comparable to the eu? That's just insulting

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I'm with loz all the way on this Never mind Dublin the small towns across Ireland were pregnant with people who never had money spending and borrowing like noones business. And they didn't take kindly to anyone giving them pause for thought

dammit - Loz beat me to it I don't think tarot is a troll btw - just seriously, disturbingly deluded

Iceland had nothing to do with the Euro or EU and they were/are equally fucked being ruled by Britain (with all of the attendant inequalities - you can guess which ones surely? or maybe I'm crediting you with too much) is ENTIRELY different to entering a union voluntarily to co-operate with other countries How did Tony Blair sign the UK away exactly? That only mystery is how you manage to get so many things wrong

Well, this is all VERY strange If I?m to believe some media sources Christmas is lucky to even exist at all with the full-frontal-politically-correct-gone-mad brigade And yet if I?m to believe this thread it seems anyone can just deck the high st, the house or even themselves like some two-bit Christmas whore? It?s as if these media sources were just?. shit stirring? Still, no shortage of takers for their particular shit. If only people were given the ?simple truth? then they wouldn?t feel so outraged the whole time ;-) winterval, pah

Doesn't look like the explosions were AT MI6 and teh roads have reopened BBC report

What?s interesting about that article is how it was one of many voices all lauding Ireland at the time ? so anyone having a pop at the Irish government (and they sure aren?t blameless so go ahead) should bear in mind that had they tried to buck this trend they would have been swimming against the tide of popular opinion and probably chucked out by the electorate

helping Ireland out at this point IS helping out the UK?s citizens Not helping Ireland out at this point will impact directly and massively on UK citizens A loan to Ireland is not the same as offering ?aid? to third world countries. It?s chalk and cheese

EC - chill would'ya? It was you jumped on me without offering any basic argument - you just too umbrage at my response to someone else Saying a lot of people feel this way doesn't mean or solve anything The sort of outrage expressed ?why do we have to help others and where is the money coming from if we have no money? is just whining The UK IS in trouble but it will be in MORE trouble if it doesn?t help out in this situation. Taking a stand that says ?we?re not going to help because we can?t? is only going to get you in more trouble. It?s cutting off your (and everyone elses) nose of to spite your face So given THAT scenario what is the point of saying ?no one helps us! And we don?t have any money??

Am I stopping him or anyone holding that view? No Do I think it's wrong? yes And I gave my reasons why - I'm happy for you to rebutt them

Well if the message from European Partners was ?tough? that would seem payback for England?s long-standing unhelpfulness in European matters. It?s also a measure of how relatively sound the UK economy is it doesn?t require help in the same way (yet?) The UK isn?t helping Ireland out for altruistic or even neighbourly reasons And the UK has had plenty of help from people over the years so less of the martyrdom please

because Sarah is pretty much in the right place I'm guessing. Admin will see it I think David was just doffing his cap to good manner - nowt wrong with that But Sarah can always contact Admin directly via the link below if she doesn't get an answer on here

I have also heard that this lot have been sniffing around for premises

This estate agents have bought the lease and yes it's been mentioned a few times already and yes everyone says "not another estate agent" but it is what it is

It?s difficult to take a team as talented as Arsenal consistently giving up in games. Going 2-0 was the worst thing that could happen to us ? you could visibly see the body-language change in the players What happened to Spurs at half-time (a bit of managerial bite, a bit of collective sock-rolling-up) is something I see too little of at Arsenal If we had signed Viera a year ago, and never played him, just his leadership in the dressing room wouldn?t allow the lapses we see Anyway ? hats off to Spurs. And it must have been a thrilling game for a neutral

I'm still too vexed to comment on the arsenal game

it's a spread invitation Mick - he wasn't aiming for the next post, he's playing the long game

Good point about European Cup - but a) long time ago, b) not really what we are talking about I'm inclined to believe that players these days are more interested in the lifestyle and money, rather than the game. And it's that, rather than coaching or methods, which gets found out after initial rounds

When do we think "foreigners" started to dominated the Premiership? managerially and player-wise? And 1966 apart, when have England ever been a genuine force in world football? hmmmmmm. I don't think top-tier English football in any era is enough

But wait Not. As. Bad. As. It. Seems. Shocker Chill