StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On teh one hand we want a > leaner, more productive civil-service and on the > other we want people to kick about after they have > been usefully productive? It seems a contradiction Not sure it's really a contradiction - hire less people into the public sector, but keep those people working for longer. If teachers don't want to teach into their late 60s (I can accept that there may be physical demands), I'm sure there is other work to do in the education department. I don't want to work until my old age either, but realistically most of us will probably have no choice.