Jeremy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_finger But TBH the internet is a better start than staring at women's hands in pubs.

Perhaps in the narrow bits, cyclists should be required to dismount.

What beers are on?

Yeah I think only a fairly small number of people in London can really claim that.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Some people need a car. Most people however only > claim that they "need" their car, whereas actually > it's more accurate to say they like their car. Well the main reason for most of us is simply that it's convenient and a great time saver. Doesn't make you a petrol-head. I only use mine at weekends, but for journeys out of London, and also things like runs to Sainsburys/B&Q/Ikea/etc, it's a very useful thing to have indeed. But prefer public transport for travelling into town, or walking locally.

I can think of a few jobs where driving might be the norm. Teacher is one that springs to mind, where public transport might not be a feasible option from A to B, and you have 60 sets of homework to take with you.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Beckenham (wherever the hell that is) I think it's down near the south coast?

Problem is that I don't believe many people drive in London for fun. Deliveries, tradesmen, taxis. People with stuff to transport or working unsociable hours. A boot full of shopping and two kids in the back. Lack of feasible transport links to certain destinations. These people will still drive even if you turn the roads into an obstacle course.

I think I could live with all of that except the breakfast.

I'm sure the saboteurs are a tiny minority. I don't like the sight of the party desperately trying to squirm out of this or rig the voting. It seems incredibly sneaky and dishonest.

I really like living in Peckham - but to be fair, it would probably come as a bit of a rude awakening to your average tourist.

I have an ex-colleague who was bragging on Facebook about joining Labour to vote Corbyn in an act of sabbotage. Was surprised that he'd openly shown such disrespect towards the democratic process. But it all seems a little irrelevant now, as whatever I may think about his policies, he's genuinely popular and has struck a chord with the public.

benyj83 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Where did you hear the news of "Mr Bao"? They're recruiting : http://www.gumtree.com/p/sous-chef-jobs/chef-new-chinese-taiwanese-restaurant-opening-london/1129272901

Fair point about the congestion charge "stick". Although making driving a pain in the ass for the sake of it just seems absurd to me. Clearly there is money to improve the transport infrastucture, the crossrail project is a huge undertaking and they're already talking about a North/South Crossrail 2. This is exactly the kind of thing that will make getting around London easier for everyone.

I don't consider the Nordics to be socialist. They are free market, capitalist economies with high taxation and public spending. This "culture of responsibility" in many Asian countries is a separate subject really, but something I do know a little about. The closeness of the family unit is deeply cultural and not something easily transplanted to other countries. Saying that, moving an elderly relative into your home becomes a much more realistic prospect when you can pay a Filipino ?90 a month to look after them full time. As for education - I think that the highly competitive (and materialistic) culture are more of a factor than the lack of a social safety net. The kids study for crazy hours and are sometimes put under tremendous pressure.

Blah Blah.. there you go again. Not thinking that Corbyn is the right solution is NOT the same as saying that everything's just fine as it is. Not being a Corbyn supporter is not the same as believing the tories have done a great job of rescuing our economy. Take those blinkers off.

DC - the point isn't whether you'd suggest the opposite.. it's about what issues you consider to be key.

I'm sure there is substantial overlap. But regarding the welfare state - the Tories main objective seems to be to reduce spending and reduce the role of the government.

Burbage Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All lovely stuff. But these are questions and > aspirations rather than proposals, and tediously > familiar to anyone old enough to have voted more > than once. This isn't vision. It's vacuous wibble. > An empty list of aspirational hogswind which gives > potential voters no idea what they'd actually do. Erm... he's not standing. There are not potential DM voters. Yes if he was standing I'd want this backed up with rather more substance. But for me, this thinking is at least on the right track.

Also coming to Peckham - a Taiwanese bao restaurant called "Mr Bao", apparently.

I'm starting to feel like "Corbynmania" has taken such a hold, that if you don't support him you're automatically a right wing, Thatcherite, "I'm Alright Jack", selfish pig. FACT. Actually I quite like David Milliband. This is a man I could actually vote for: These ideas focus, for example, on how to tackle the secular stagnation in median wages; how to redistribute power to cities to spread economic wealth; how to modernise the education curriculum for a creative age; how to build a secure, low-carbon European energy future; how to make the welfare state an effective springboard out of poverty; how to combat humanitarian catastrophe where it occurs and before it becomes an immigration crisis on the shores of Europe.

I would agree, but I advocate the carrot instead of the stick. i.e. proper cycle infrastructure, increasing public transport frequency/capacity (and no, bloody buses don't count).

"Cars are brilliant and if you don't drive you're a wuss" "Iceland is for losers" "Lower tax for investment bankers - discuss" "Why the rampant London housing market is a good thing"

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're not from the groups we're talking about, > so it's not really for you to say what should and > shouldn't make them resentful. Yes and no. I can't speak for other people, of course. But I am capable of a certain amount of empathy. I can understand resentment when someone is priced out of an area. Or things open up which are unaffordable for them. Or shops they use and value are forced to close, and replaced by an organic cheesemonger. But not sure I could understand resentment towards this.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you saw your whole area changing to the tastes > of people from a different group to your own, you > might become resentful. Depends what it is. Not if it's a path/park linking two stations together. Of all the things which have changed/are changing in Peckham, this isn't one of the things I'd highlight as an example of social cleansing. Some perspective is needed.