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"At times I've asked myself the question: is this a straight debate amongst neighbours about the best way to reduce traffic, or is it being used by some to push a wider but concealed political agenda?" I think exactly the same about the opaque Clean Air Dulwich or Friends of Dulwich Square - have the friends of the closed Dulwich Village junction stopped for a minute to think how this closure will affect their neighbours on South Circular or Lordship Lane? Why is their need to have the roads closed so they can cycle there is more important than my desire to have rush hours twice a day instead of all day long in front of my flat?

"Why not stick to the real issues of the best ways to reduce traffic and car use?" - LTN does not help with this. At all. How such a detached from reality and unjust scheme could ever see a daylight is unfathomable. I agree with Rockets that to a certain degree it is a class war or rather money have/have not. The most polluted roads are the main roads. Why did I buy a flat on such a road? Because it was cheaper. Did I expect peace and quiet? Of course not. I was dreading it; thankfully, you can get used to it, to a certain degree at least and you keep thinking it?s not for ever. What did LTN do to the main roads? Pushed more traffic onto them, creating more stationary traffic and making them more polluted and noisy as a consequence. What did Southwark council do to help to improve air quality and tackle the noise issue on the main roads? Nothing. By introducing LTN they made it worst. At the same time, they had no problem with closing roads like Court Lane ? already peaceful and quiet, where hardly anyone can afford to buy a house. I don?t drive and never owned a car. I asked few neighbours what would make them to stop driving or drive less ? they said that it would only be a price of driving, if it becomes too expensive. They hate LTN, they are stuck in the traffic for much longer now, have to take all sorts of detours but have no intention to ditch their cars. Public transport is also crucial and yet it becomes worst and worst. Bus frequency has been reduced and bus routes senselessly altered (nr 40). Trains frequency has been reduced; tickets fares are ridiculously high for what Southern offers; trains from London Bridge to ED or Forest Hill are delayed and cancelled more often than not and yet Govia has been granted new 3 yrs contract.

Agree Heartblock - time for a change.

Nothing more dodgy than Southwark labour councillors association with property developers.

It is just like Clean Air Dulwich - ferocious pro LTN supporters - cannot find a single name on the internet as to who these people are. Friends and families of the local labour councillors? Who knows?

As long as the one party state which is Southwark is broken up am ok with it. Plus there finally will be someone who wants LTN removed.

From my perspective, there is nothing to celebrate 🤔

I like Heartblock's ideas. Agree with Rockets: LTN segregates children and people in general into the better ones, deserving cleaner air and those who don't. I don't see anyone from the pro LTN commando commenting on that; what a surprise - they don't want better air quality for everyone, only closed roads for themselves..

Remove LTN in Dulwich - serving a handful of people and harming local community.

So basically this is pure nepotism - trying to get money for your friends and family.

Where is this info available re: Dulwich labour cllrs and property developers pls? slarti b Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > VotethemoutMay22 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > A group of us have got together (from all > parties)because we believe that our local Dulwich > councillors have not represented everyone in the > community when pushing for the Dulwich LTNs. > > A bit of an understatement there. I think what > you mean is our local councillors have > represented a tiny minority of activists and > misled and ignored the vast majority of their > constituents! > > Fascinating reading of some of the candidate > profiles, I had no idea how closely several of > the Labour councillors are associated with > property developers, very clear conflicts of > interest there, I am surprised the Labour party > tolerates it.

Have you donated? No? So its none of your business what people are doing with their money.

I donated to One Dulwich and have no problem with that. Need to keep trying as long as there is hope to remove the harmful, unjust and utterly ineffective scheme which is LTN. The rest of the money can be donated or, even better, used to remove the planters and bollards currently blocking the roads.

I only received a leaflet from infamous Cllrs Rose and Simmonds in Dulwich Wood which went straight into the bin. Hope May election will see them out.

Whoever does it is in fact a criminal and should be punished. Not to mention that if the tyers have to be replaced and the old ones thrown away it simply producing unnecessary rubbish. Let's see what the pro LTN commando has to say when planters and bollards currently blocking some roads are removed or damaged by someone.

Complete lunatics. Hope they are caught and fined.

Hope it's spend on removing b***y planters and bollards

LTN = discrimination https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/exclusive-dulwich-alliance-back-away-from-legal-challenge-to-low-traffic-neighbourhood/?fbclid=IwAR0lGPcKoHk3SWael0Q5G8BeAB7Wl84g1W0Pi8cv-IyH59XCXbDEdWxCFRU

Well, I'm always a pessimist when it comes to Vlad the Psychopath. The Guardian and UK for UNHCR have listed charities helping Ukraine: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/28/how-can-britons-help-the-people-of-ukraine https://www.unrefugees.org.uk/take-action/how-to-help-ukraine/

To hell with LTN and all those who invented it! Throw your neighbours under the bus - what fun!

Traffic has increased on the roads such as LL, EDG, Croxted Rd and on many other roads such as Overhill Rd or Crystal Palace Rd. Anyone living on these roads or using them knows this. Of corse, if all you do is cycle from Dulwich park to the closed junction in DV via Court Lane then you have no idea what is going on in a real world.

I fully agree with Rockets and Heartblock. LTN brought nothing but misery to people on the main and boundary roads, caused miles of idling traffic which worsten the air pollution and divided the community. It is a spectacular failure.

"Not sure what parallel universe you reside in, but boundary roads are choking under the weight of increased traffic. You don't even need the data to prove this; you can see the difference with your own eyes." Yes. Yes yes yes yes yes. Sadly, you can say it until you are blue in the face - the unfeeling pro LTN crowd - including Labour councilors - do not give a damn.

Aren't you a super pro-everything-eco, sitting happily on the recently closed road? goldilocks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh good - we've moved through cyclist bashing onto > the 'war on motorists'. > > Its like an abridged version of the comments page > on the Daily Mail. > > Do we even try to stick to the topic any more, or > is this the 'get out your populist pet peeve' > section?

Petition against LTN in Lewisham https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/13000-people-sign-petition-against-low-traffic-neighbourhoods/?fbclid=IwAR08rlh57kqK7pJw0b73EVm7Niouo83hCVqjepczYER6_5uFsrFuavzbZb4