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Govt issues summary of report and prevents journalists access to full report for 24 hours Initial positive spin from usual suspects gives way to widespread condemnation as people get their hands on report People quoted deny their part in the process Even the govt itself has to issue an ?explainer? Near Everyone concludes it?s a complete fiasco Apart from one lone brave man. A pudgy white, comfortable man with no experience of racism on the receiving end. He might come from a country which near-wiped out an indigenous population just a few generations ago and one might think he would have some self-awareness. But no

"'m not suggesting that this will happen)" oh I wouldn't say we have to eat long for that to be on the agenda. with plenty on here supporting it

assume it's a wired USB mouse Foxy? have you tried a different USB port and restarting? Any chance of using same mouse on a different pc? I'm happy to send you a new mouse if you need one as I have a few spare - am sure someone more local will jump in before tho

usually I take a day off for SPD - because I'm doing something and recovering from something This year I have day after off because.... I'm getting The Jab in the morning (plus a few errands) Different times eh?

This digression is making me want to go back to WA

"It's an intentionally OTT article...the brazzeness of it, is sort of the point. " and what IS that point? to what end? You've quoted it as .. something... but what? It makes a point? But not? Because it's intentionally OTT? I think Liddle actually believes this stuff - or thinks enough of his followers believe it to make little difference. So is it meaningful? Or meaningless? "But thanks for your 'insight' that its anti-American..... " I didn't say that. What I said was, if it was written by an leftie, it would be written-off as anti-American You see the difference? "It's amusing that you find me so puzzling, I'm flaterred...I really don't think about you at all." everyone reading this knows this isn't true

I will say a couple of things about the Liddle piece for now - if it was written by a Corbynist, or anyone vaguely left, it would be written off as "typically anti-American" it bangs on a bit about "unicorns" - rich coming from a Brexiteer And to even pretend that asking about skin colour is merely concern about "ginger hair" - y'all have basically lost your minds You quote O Neill and Liddle because you respect them. They write absolute garbage. We can dive into any article of your choice but you are the one who likes "them" not what they write. It is embarrassing. I dismissed nutters like keano and glen because they are obviously too far gone. For the longest time, too long, I paid you Cat, the respect of being more intelligent. Someone who felt they may have made the wrong bet and needed some way of climbing back. But at every turn you double down. The contrast with your "outward appearance " of objectivity is stark

I AM commenting on what was said. I am also commenting on who said it I could Fisk the Liddle piece but really would you even care

on the minus column, I have seen much online leftie "it's like the third reich all over again" discourse. Which is painful and wrong And yet. And yet Unfunny TV shows carry on for years and years without any problem. Subjectivity and all that But bad comedy shows also get cancelled all the time. And that's ok too I literally don't care if the Daily Mash itself continues or if it's cancelled - I won't be watching And yet and yet Tim Davie arrived with a target of axing leftie comedy shows Compared to the Thatcher years there does seem to be an unwillingness to tolerate anti-govt dissenting voices. Away from bad comedy shows there is way, way less opposition to government compared to 80s. Wether it's TV or actual Political Party Opposition Something is rotten somewhere. This government, more than many, needs examination. Mash Report didn't do a funny job (in my view - some do like it tho). And yet and yet

"The Daily Mash is terrible. The Mash Report was terrible. " all these years and my opinion hasn't changed /forum/read.php?20,707681,708200#msg-708200

ianr sounds like he has a defence up his sleeve

Cat loves the oneils and liddles of this world. Always posting them with cringey ?possibly a bit OTT but..? caveats Any sane person can read an o Neil or Liddle column and think them deeply troubled and strange men, with a track record of being wrong about pretty much everything

It?s not just a Friday night thing - for me it?s every waking moment of every day Anyway. Clearheaded summary is here http://beergbrexit.blog/2021/03/07/brexit-2-months-in/

Oh dear god yes !

Unusually conciliatory there. But I don?t think either is true is it?

Ok well played on those headlines. I still maintain it wasn?t ?triggered? and it was only mooted. That?s my reading and I am open to the possibility I?m wrong and that events were set in motion beyond which Im acknowledging. It remains that nothing was implemented and was a storm in a teacup But nowhere in those articles is there anything close to ?eejitry? or anyone bemoaning lack of sovereignty.

In the meantime let?s go back in time and look at promises made in 2016 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/13/brexit-wont-hurt-northern-ireland-at-all--instead-it-will-bright/amp/ And now? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/04/eu-jeopardising-belfast-agreement/amp/ Any scintilla of acknowledgement they were wrong? Of course not. Always someone else?s fault. Always. They were clueless and they lied. They made claims that were not theirs to make And people believed them

I don?t get upset if people tackle me directly I am indeed free to move back to Ireland. Thank you so much for reminding me. What a gracious host. It seems churlish to point out that in the intervening years I have English relatives and two young daughters who wouldn?t be as keen as I am to move to Ireland because they don?t have the wider purview of where their country is headed and they are VERY much attached to their friends here and now None of which would be a problem were it not for the childish vanity project that is Brexit

It was never ever implemented. Even ?triggering? is weird because after months of uk threatening to trigger it, it only took one evening of eu even mentioning it for uk to get a fit of the vapours Would serve you well to read non British media Keano. Your partly in this mess because of such a meagre diet

I don't think I put you in a bucket, other than assuming you were a man close to my own age? When you chafed at that I joked about young bucks as for dismissing your views - I did that loooong ago. You are the current holder of the "forum reactionary who enjoys tweaking the nose of the libs while pretending they are merely objective and rational" accolade but your views speak for themselves I don't think I'm playing the man by pointing out that your views and presentation are questionable. You very much pride yourself on your brand - don't complain if someone points out the brand isn't all that

I mean, at least if you are a man close to 50 it would explain most of your thinking I'd be horrified to think you were a young buck with thoughts like this. Instead of Frost you would be more like Grimes * shudder *

Am I wrong on the age then? And caricature? How so?

for a man closing on 50, you have never left the playground have you Cat?

keano has lost the plot here - it was never triggered and was never going to be VDL got her homework wrong and spoke out of turn - and countries full of eeejits and with no sovrinty got on a phone and got it all sorted sharpish but look at him go - because he has nothing else

Someone speaks about possibly doing something That something was never going to happen as everyone pointed out to her So it didn?t happen The only thing that happened was the verbals. So what are you saying was actually imposed?