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so - back to the topic at hand The govt race report is a massive pile of old hot garbage, not worth the paper it's written on and only Cat is seemingly up for defending it. But he won't say why as ever, the language is careful and considered - see: "The focus of my posts is very, very clearly asking that people who wish to criticise and discuss the report to please bother reading it, to promote a discussion based on more than just what you've read second or third-hand. " And yet no-one who has read the report on this forum or anywhere else is minded to back it. The people quoted in the report are upset with how they are represented and yet - "hey man, just read it - it's cool yeah" the question is not who has read the report and to what extent - the question is why anyone would want to get behind it and for what reason? The jury is in - it's a dogs dinner of a report - it's perfectly ok to align with people who say that. You don't need to twist yourself in knots to try and support it for any reason whatsoever. But true to form, not only will Cat defend the dogs dinner, he will start and resurrect threads doing just that and then get all pearl-clutchy when people call him out for doing so. and then, and THEN STILL actually type the following words when called out "Ask yourself why it is that I care about this issue so much? I'm not going to answer that question publically, becuase it's none of your business. " no-one, literally noone is asking Cat to resurrect/start these threads - but Jesus man - at least have the decency to back up your statements and don't go crying to admin because anyone dares to question you I know its gotta hurt when your April fool thread falls so publicly flat, but that can't be the only reason for the testiness

Ah yes - being scolded by Hamletter. A "recent" addition who themselves have contributed little and yet feel free to wade in like this One wonders who they are "in a previous life" To be fair, clear and honest - I am not pretending to provide inspirational posts - those days of me in previous incarnations are long gone - but in 2021 the populists are running amok and I feel duty-bound to at least call them out I have seen better posters than me make good faith arguments only to be afforded zero time or respect - so please.. spare me the advice

for the record I speak as a pudgy, middle aged white man - so I don't consider any of those things offensive. They are what they are. But I do also realise most of these factors put me (and you) on the "sunny side of the hill" in life's lottery compared with all of the things you decide to protest against

My post was indeed inspired by your posts - but what was it I wrote that upset you so much?

Ah - If I had a penny for every time you claimed to have some respect for me only for it to vanish, I'd be closing in on 6p

But as you took my post to be about you, let's go through your response "on a number of counts you could not be more wrong." specifically, which ones? " Ask yourself why it is that I care about this issue so much? " Which issue exactly? It doesn't appear to be about the plight of people affected by institutional racism. So which issue is it you refer to? "I'm not going to answer that question publically, becuase it's none of your business." Ah - so you will obfuscate and pontificate publicly but when challenged (or perceived to be challenged) you come over all coy? "But you can kindly keep your character assasinations to yourself" I never mentioned you "and I'll be reporting your post to admin." Do let me know how that goes

did I mention you?

Govt issues summary of report and prevents journalists access to full report for 24 hours Initial positive spin from usual suspects gives way to widespread condemnation as people get their hands on report People quoted deny their part in the process Even the govt itself has to issue an ?explainer? Near Everyone concludes it?s a complete fiasco Apart from one lone brave man. A pudgy white, comfortable man with no experience of racism on the receiving end. He might come from a country which near-wiped out an indigenous population just a few generations ago and one might think he would have some self-awareness. But no

"'m not suggesting that this will happen)" oh I wouldn't say we have to eat long for that to be on the agenda. with plenty on here supporting it

assume it's a wired USB mouse Foxy? have you tried a different USB port and restarting? Any chance of using same mouse on a different pc? I'm happy to send you a new mouse if you need one as I have a few spare - am sure someone more local will jump in before tho

usually I take a day off for SPD - because I'm doing something and recovering from something This year I have day after off because.... I'm getting The Jab in the morning (plus a few errands) Different times eh?

This digression is making me want to go back to WA

"It's an intentionally OTT article...the brazzeness of it, is sort of the point. " and what IS that point? to what end? You've quoted it as .. something... but what? It makes a point? But not? Because it's intentionally OTT? I think Liddle actually believes this stuff - or thinks enough of his followers believe it to make little difference. So is it meaningful? Or meaningless? "But thanks for your 'insight' that its anti-American..... " I didn't say that. What I said was, if it was written by an leftie, it would be written-off as anti-American You see the difference? "It's amusing that you find me so puzzling, I'm flaterred...I really don't think about you at all." everyone reading this knows this isn't true

I will say a couple of things about the Liddle piece for now - if it was written by a Corbynist, or anyone vaguely left, it would be written off as "typically anti-American" it bangs on a bit about "unicorns" - rich coming from a Brexiteer And to even pretend that asking about skin colour is merely concern about "ginger hair" - y'all have basically lost your minds You quote O Neill and Liddle because you respect them. They write absolute garbage. We can dive into any article of your choice but you are the one who likes "them" not what they write. It is embarrassing. I dismissed nutters like keano and glen because they are obviously too far gone. For the longest time, too long, I paid you Cat, the respect of being more intelligent. Someone who felt they may have made the wrong bet and needed some way of climbing back. But at every turn you double down. The contrast with your "outward appearance " of objectivity is stark

I AM commenting on what was said. I am also commenting on who said it I could Fisk the Liddle piece but really would you even care

on the minus column, I have seen much online leftie "it's like the third reich all over again" discourse. Which is painful and wrong And yet. And yet Unfunny TV shows carry on for years and years without any problem. Subjectivity and all that But bad comedy shows also get cancelled all the time. And that's ok too I literally don't care if the Daily Mash itself continues or if it's cancelled - I won't be watching And yet and yet Tim Davie arrived with a target of axing leftie comedy shows Compared to the Thatcher years there does seem to be an unwillingness to tolerate anti-govt dissenting voices. Away from bad comedy shows there is way, way less opposition to government compared to 80s. Wether it's TV or actual Political Party Opposition Something is rotten somewhere. This government, more than many, needs examination. Mash Report didn't do a funny job (in my view - some do like it tho). And yet and yet

"The Daily Mash is terrible. The Mash Report was terrible. " all these years and my opinion hasn't changed /forum/read.php?20,707681,708200#msg-708200

ianr sounds like he has a defence up his sleeve

Cat loves the oneils and liddles of this world. Always posting them with cringey ?possibly a bit OTT but..? caveats Any sane person can read an o Neil or Liddle column and think them deeply troubled and strange men, with a track record of being wrong about pretty much everything

It?s not just a Friday night thing - for me it?s every waking moment of every day Anyway. Clearheaded summary is here http://beergbrexit.blog/2021/03/07/brexit-2-months-in/

Oh dear god yes !

Unusually conciliatory there. But I don?t think either is true is it?

Ok well played on those headlines. I still maintain it wasn?t ?triggered? and it was only mooted. That?s my reading and I am open to the possibility I?m wrong and that events were set in motion beyond which Im acknowledging. It remains that nothing was implemented and was a storm in a teacup But nowhere in those articles is there anything close to ?eejitry? or anyone bemoaning lack of sovereignty.

In the meantime let?s go back in time and look at promises made in 2016 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/13/brexit-wont-hurt-northern-ireland-at-all--instead-it-will-bright/amp/ And now? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/04/eu-jeopardising-belfast-agreement/amp/ Any scintilla of acknowledgement they were wrong? Of course not. Always someone else?s fault. Always. They were clueless and they lied. They made claims that were not theirs to make And people believed them

I don?t get upset if people tackle me directly I am indeed free to move back to Ireland. Thank you so much for reminding me. What a gracious host. It seems churlish to point out that in the intervening years I have English relatives and two young daughters who wouldn?t be as keen as I am to move to Ireland because they don?t have the wider purview of where their country is headed and they are VERY much attached to their friends here and now None of which would be a problem were it not for the childish vanity project that is Brexit