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Global Britain going well I see purely from a self-interested pov, Uk shouldn't be fostering bad-will like this? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/13/eu-citizens-arriving-in-uk-being-locked-up-and-expelled

I would go with "any opposition" rather than Labour specifically, but yes

As I'm not British I don't have quite the same hostility to the concept of ID cards as many British people do When Blair govt was kicking the idea around, I wondered why so many people were QUITE so upset at the idea But to see those opponents now pushing the idea is deeply suss And if any UK govt wants to change such a fundamental part of it's (non)constitution it should campaign on the idea - many Johnson voters will have voted for him with every much the notion that he was dead-set against the idea Mind you, bait and switch seems to be order of the day with this lot

People will already have seen the clip But (apart from gaining power and wanting to keep it) what has changed this mans opinion

Those democracies have safeguards and constitutions to protect against abuse of ID cards This country has nothing People who support any uk party regardless of politics should required proper checks and balances before any introduction into this country (We should also question why they?re being suggested now. By THIS PM. the same guy who swore blind he would swallow any card rather than present one. Was he unaware of any ?issues? then? Fraud and charlatan. And a dangerous one)

2008 eh? Let?s look at all the elections and referendums since then Even if I disagree with every result, voter fraud is not an issue

Of all the things that need doing, this is what they spend time and money on? A solution without a problem

'tis this https://www.itv.com/britaingettalking/

Or you could say a mayor in a second term got returned with a bigger margin than the last double term mayor in his second term. I?ll say again - I don?t rate Khan. And Bailey did do better than expected given his party left him to it compresses with Goldsmith. But he remains an appalling candidate

Ha. Fair play

"Football has felt souless without fans and it would be the same for the Olympics. " This x 100 What would the point be of a zoom Olympics ? A joyless, soulless nothing of an event

Allowing the Olympic to proceed would be madness. The whole point of it is a coming together of all nations, with fans and athletes travelling from everywhere in the world to a concentrated location Complete opposite of what we should be doing Plus I note that Tokyo is close to calling an emergency after and uptick

Ha. Fair point Alan What?s worse is I spent ages trying to see if I had put too many zeroes in. I should have just used a comma and that would have helped. Ah well Main point stands

We might be through the pandemic Or we might not be Remember august last year when many high profile people were saying there wouldn?t be a second wave? And remember when it became obvious the second wave was coming and Starmer was calling for early action and Johnson made exactly same mistakes as March and instead of taking action, stood in parliament doing his jokey schtick calling Starmer ?captain hindsight? And then into November December when it was obvious to everyone things were serious Johnson was still in denial, saying it would be ?inhuman? to cancel Christmas ? Well at that point we had 60000 deaths and subsequently since December we have had more than double that - worse than any other European country and entirely preventable But people like hammer man doff their caps and tug their forelocks once more (If labour had been in charge and took a different course of action and only 20000 people died, he?s be calling them murderers)

Whenever Lou declares something simple...

I suppose the rise in last 20 years of voting as entertainment shows from X factor to apprentice plays a part too I think people on all sides need to worry less about being called stupid (either explicitly or by allusion) and reflect a little on wether they are choosing wisely. It is possible for intelligent people to make very very stupid decisions. And it should be ok for other people (be it friend or foe) to call them on it People in this country find it very easy to call voters in other countries racist or dumb or wrong. Partly because it can often be true, but also the distance allows more objectivity But it is possible for people in this country to take a wrong turn and over-indulge ?an entertainer? because he provokes or indulges less-than-benign impulses And I definitely think this country is going down a dark path. Not because it won?t vote labour. But because after 11 years of this govt it?s very angry and not willing to accept who really might be the root of that anger

I wouldn't disagree with most of that Cat But it does feel a bit like we are back in late 19th century Wild West where snake oil salesmen went from town to town and I wonder why that is for most of 20th century it seems like we avoided obvious charlatans and relied on boring competence (I'm oversimplifying - but as a generalisation) . Why are we back here?

Gentle reminder. The tories have been in power for 11 years Blaming labour for leaving some straw man white working class behind only goes so far If people are disaffected and left behind, why blame a government from over a decade ago? And what is it that this government is promising and going to deliver? Because I take an interest in these things and I have no idea.

If you don't wear a good Jersey, you will be Friesian

And as has been noted - no problems between France and Guernsey

Yes because your upsides are not going to happen. And people are telling you they won?t and why Just like they said fishermen would be screwed, Irish border would be a problem etc. But you persist (because you have ?reasons?) It?s a con. And it?s a folly. And the people who are the engine behind it (yes the racists. Yes the people who call uk law and establishment saboteurs. Yes the actually nutty posters on here. Those people ) don?t seem like your kind of people. But you think somehow when the dust settles you will have those people in check?

I think the question remains - yes you acknowledge the downsides theoretically but you don?t really have any skin in those games. And you still want to push on for your hypothetical (and unrealistic) wins Given the likes of arch leavers like Roland Smith (who is someone I consider you akin to - middle aged, white, relatively privaliged, savvy, eu sceptic and agitator for leave for many years) has so clearly changed his mind - the question is why do you think you retain some vision of the Truth about all of this and persist with your Vision of Leave. Which won?t happen. And you will blame clowns like Johnson. A clown you needed to even get Brexit Because the whole thing is a scam. It?s one you have your reasons for going along with. But they aren?t good reasons and the cost is too high

You have acknowledged job losses and downsides yes cat. But as I?ve said repeatedly if Brexit was sold as your version it wouldn?t have passed. In the wider world, your version of Brexit simply is not what was sold

Farkin ell Mockney will be back in a mo

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