Sephiroth

go on then - what has she done?

Some great stories here When people claim 17million, they are including these people and people like them. It?s just not right https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/meet-the-leave-voters-who-have-changed-their-mind-on-brexit-a4254691.html

"Dig deep people" Mate, that is not deep As the years roll by, we will be paying a lot more than that to try and cope with the effects of climate change Not that that will bother you eh Glen? Like me, I suspect you are a man of age so won't be around to witness the damage

?Simple nihilism? Have you MET uncle before?

Let?s have some o?brien lies glen. I?m looking forward to this If he lies that much put him and us straight

I love how I didn?t mention a word O?Brien said. I mentioned only the standard of the callers. But then uncleglen has to go and prove my point Is that really the best you can come with glen? You call him all those names and give all of the other LBC jocks a pass?

Plenty of Irish callers ringing O'Brien on LBC today noticeable change in quality of thinking compared to the regular Leave callers

More ?not racism? https://mol.im/a/7482795#v-858009016715427710

Let?s see what The founder of the Brexit part is saying shall we? ?Clapham looks like the Carribean Tower Hamlets looks like Pakistan or Syria Mornington Crescent looks like Turkey Redbridge looks like a foreign country . And Bermondsey and Stratford just look like one big non English mess.? Looks like racism to me

The eu ha spelt out many times the consequences The uk government has also done studies and know the coming consequence What you believe is of no use to anyone. There is only what we know and the probability that happening The uk, not the eu, is allowing this to happen The eu is saying this will happen and the uk is saying ?we know we know but? If you have been doing something for 40 years without problem then I suggest you keep doing that

We are talking about possible shortage life saving drugs based on your decision and support. And you are sticking with it. The reasons for the delays are many and complex and interdependent. But you have its down to a few form fillers If you remove controls on medicines you introduce a gift drug smugglers The same option is to stay in the eu and spend the time working out how to slowly withdraw if that?s what you still want. Dictating to other countries how they should manage their supply chains is typical of the hubris that has brought us to this point. But as you haven?t reconsidered by now, remaining polite serves no purpose.

The arrogance of countries before a fall ?Could never happen here? Taking control of borders is uk?s idea. Taking control of borders is exactly about ?filling out forms correctly? Some bad quality drugs comes through from eu specifically because some jobs worth doesn?t fill in papers and the usual suspects will be up in arms This is on you. Don?t be giving it the high hat and blaming eu for the consequence of your own actions.

To try and cancel/delay Brexit now will likely have appalling consequences? We have to choose which appalling consequence. I choose remaining and dealing with our own nutters than I do dealing with the outcome of yellow hammer. Which by the way will still mean dealing with our own nutters anyway. They will never be happy. Thinking that Brexit will placate them is a fallacy. We are where we are. But we can choose where we go

"That ship has sailed Seph" It's sailing. In the wrong direction. And it's on fire Granted But no - I think we still have time to salvage the situation. And even if it was to no avail with the EU, we should be trying anyway - out of self-respect Because we are going to have to do it eventually - and if we are farther out to sea, with scurvy and on a raft it will be... oh look, I've stretched the already awkward metaphor to far. But the point stands

"I voted remain but if we stay in now, they'll treat us like dogs" based on what? and what would that look like? You think it's preferable to being out now? Good luck with that Given the astonishing way om which the government, the media and much of the UK population has portrayed europe it's a wonder they are talking to us at all None of this is difficult - if you really want to leave the EU, then make a 10 year plan, accept it's going to come at a cost and treat your ex-partners with respect. But the UK (England especially) has been a boorish, embarrassing drunk And if you want to stay but are worried about how you'll be treated in future then adopt a more mature tone, show some acceptance that you've been a dick and rebuild bridges But what you shouldn't and can't do is throw all your toys out of the pram and expect any good outcome

Oh me me! I live outside the M25 in a small town - London isn't an ivory tower Also - poor people in other EU and UK countries have all faced similar situations but DON'T see leaving the EU as a solution - because it isn't

"Brexit is pulling all focus from other matters, which is a disaster We're in a total stalemate - and they are behaving like chimps." It was always going to. But this is still just the beginning. If we leave, even with a deal, then the real problems and distraction begins I also think too many people are pointing fingers at politicians and not enough at themselves - this would all be over if people were honest with themselves and conceded it would be best to stay. But they continue to put pressure on politicians to deliver - so we are where we are

Has there been, in the whole forums history a worse poster than [redacted. Not really. You know who I mean]

"Yes it appears the Supreme Court can read minds..." go on then - which minds?

"I'm not sure why they weren't a bigger hit, perhaps the cost of hardware" I think the main reason was the dawn of MP3 file-sharing and then ipods around the same time or just after. For most people the sheer scope and convenience way outweighed minidiscs

Being able to move tracks around on a disc - seemed like magic at the time

All the same bobbins from people Basic fact is more people have more cars Space doesn?t expand magically. Control of increased number of cars is required. It?s really that simple. What?s the answer to not introducing anything?

I used to live near Dagenham. Still have friends near there No amount of money or house space would convince me to move there

Agree with fishbiscuits. Jaipur is the example I come across most frequently. I like both cask and keg versions - but they are different experiences

The government have proven to be useless its true But equally they simply came up against the hard reality. That?s the bit I don?t understand. You can not negotiate a deal when there are so many competing versions of Brexit. Stick too closely to a Norway option and you have people saying it?s not brexit. Go too hard brexit and you crash the economy, the union and risk return of the troubles. And many more variations So if we had a competent government, what would their version of a deal look like. And how do you get that past all the other leave voters who don?t think the same way as you? I submit it?s a circle that can?t be squared. And even if you did the cost would be too high and the gains too low Many former leave voters have realised this. There is no majority for Brexit now in my view.