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? We hear that Coronavirus affects the BAME community disproportionately higher, with behaviour such as this protest, you can begin to see reasons why.? It?s barely a subtext to be fair. Snake is saying black peopel bring it on themselves? Or am I misreading and being unfair Because if these protesters aren?t helping the spread of the virus, surely same is true of the large, mostly white gatherings at beaches this weekend. But i can?t see anyone saying ?white people bring it on themselves?

Wingless. I can read the subtext of snake?s post just fine thanks

Jesus Have you seen pictures of crowded beaches full of white People everywhere this weekend??? But you want to scold black People for protesting about being murdered by police

"But you know... social distancing is still important too. People are still dying (several hundred a day in UK)." Fair. For some reason I'd suspended this angle

Starmer is not leading the country (not yet anyway) Don?t you get it. People follow the government message and actions. And there is the problem.

Amazing how these individual scumbags generally exercise power in one direction. It?s a stunning coincidence how black men suffer this kind of death for no reason so often. And yet groups of white men can turn up with guns protesting at lockdown and... nothing happens Talk about being wilfully blind

Are people seriously complaining or belittling other who want to protest at disgusting events in America. I expect better from you fishy People should be on the streets. I?m amazed the reaction is as muted as it is tbh

Leaving aside for a moment they are all answering to different accusations, the last time I checked, none of those people are in anyway involved in leading or writing policy for uk government during this crisis?

think the boo thing is a bit rubbish - however "Agree or disagree with him he's here for 4 years" is categorically not going to happen - in 4 years: Boris will be long gone UK on way to being gone possibly election well before 4 years time as well "We are not a banana republic" Then "we" need to stop behaving like one. Action without consequences is what happens in banana republics. Scotland had no problem telling senior people they had to leave when they broke with policy

Starm Troopers surely?

Wow. What a profound response to real problems which will massively damage people?s lives. So deep.

So will of the people. Glen What is happening with the border in the Irish Sea? The one we were assured would never be accepted by any British prime minister. But is actually happening Reasons? If you don?t extend transition period, a country (this one) which is struggling badly with a pandemic will be on its knees as the cost and disruption of no deal takes place. I know you still have your fingers in your ears (will of the people!!!!!) but please. For the sake of the country. Face up to reality (If a referendum was held today to nullify Brexit btw - I reckon your will of the people would net you about 35%) But you won. On you go. I will be blaming you tho

But how is it CLEAR Cummings has done nothing wrong? Clearly vast swathes of the country, of all persuasions can see he has done something wrong. Of nothing else he has told the public to do one thing and has done something else and now the police are having to deal with portions of the public who say they don?t have to bother with lockdown because of Cummins behaviour. As the architect of the uk lockdown policy he has to comply. Country face ls a longer lockdown with a strong her second wave with an uncompliant public, because of his behaviour. How is this ?doing nothing wrong??

I?ve been full of advice - to go over the big ticket items of the last few years Don?t vote to leave the eu Don?t give either Johnson or Corbyn a big majority Actually don?t elect johnson as replacemnt for May Lock down at the start of March - don?t wait until nearly the end replace Johnson immediately - probably with Hunt. Remove Cummings Immediately extend Brexit transition by 2 years Wherever I say these things I get told off. But don?t say I don?t offer advice

"this" as in your thread title - "Is Boris fit to lead?" The answer is clearly "no he isn't". But on this thread various people have ignored that to just strawman a "this is a leftie/momentum led" thing

Given the outraged response from so many conservative voters and tory press after yesterday?s debacle, we can at least agree this isn?t some lefty obsession now?

".he has done Brexit." well - we are out of the EU legally But we aren't in practice because we are in an extendted transition. A transition which will need to be extended again by at least 1 year beacuse a) brexit was and remains a ludicrous idea in practice and b) should he decline an extension he will be responsible for the break up of the UK, damage british countries for at least a decade and in the middle of a pandemeic likely cause the deaths of many more people unnecessarily as supply chains get knocked to smithereens. He has already thrown NI unionists under the bus - fishermen and farmers are next YOu can remind me of his majority all you like but he was up against Corbyn so what could anyone expect. And just a reminder that Blair and his involvement in Iraq was widely condemned afterwards but was supported by 2/3rds of the country for a while - so quoting maths and majorities is meaningless when faced with a changing world

Didn?t some scottish minister do something similar a couple of weeks into lockdown - big hoo hah followed and they resigned. It?s really simple But in England, it?s just not done anymore

If only that was all he ever did

I?m not sure me saying ?if Jeremy Hunt won the tory leadership contest instead of Johnson, he would have handled the situation much better?, is evidence of anything leftie Glen But you do you

Deleted my message because I was mean about someone?s age

The Cat is many things. But anywhere close to being a momentum supporter? As if What a post glen. Amazing. (Not in a good way)

I'm willing to bet any other Prime Minister (even if it was Jeremy Hunt instead of Boris Johnson) would have been at those earlier Cobra meetings and would have taken the threat more seriously Another Prime Minister would have taken the advice of scientists etc more seriously an, critically, they would have observed what was happening in other countries and heeded the warnings and advice from there as well Another Prime Minister wouldn't have been advised NOT to shake hands and then go on television to advise the nation he would be shaking hands It's a horrble situation for any government to face but the notion that noone could have done better than Johnson beggars belief, frankly

Come on cat. You?re so close. You can do this

We can look at America and see highly qualified and intelligent experts standing right next to Trump, know that he is lying and they are doing and saying nothing So any idea that just because someone is medically qualified, that alone should make them above criticism seems naive