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Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe staple this to people?s heads, before you > submit them to your state euthanasia programme > > https://apple.news/AiygvXqy0T7ec_kqc7S8REQ OMG I think it maybe a case that should be shown to people who deny covid exists to help change their points of view. Sadly I don't think he will be the last person who suffers the same fate after denying it exists and it's shocking that he was so young but that should help prove that no-one is invincible

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That's interesting JohnL So by defying the odds to reach 65 the odds change to say that you will possibly live longer than expected as most things that would kill you before mid sixties are behind you. There possible is truth in that theory. Cat, I spoke with friends in India recently and their view is that covid is a rich man's disease as the poor don't live in crowded cities and tend to die younger so the remaining "stock" outside of big cities are more hardy so more likely to be able to overcome the effects. On the down side they did say that the true number of deaths in India May never be known as outside of big cities they aren't always recorded as covid deaths. It's an interesting concept and if right could our high mortality rates be down to something as simple as the western world not letting the elderly or weak die naturally by extending their lives with medication and treatment ? That's something that I expect will come out in the future when different population studies are done. (DR this is not an endorsement of your Interpretation of my earlier discussion as "state sponsored genocide")

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Phew...glad you're back....I was worried I might > actually have to do some work today..... I thought it was you who broke it when you coughed up a furball onto the server ... 😽

Interestingly Croydon has agreed to remove the LTN in Crystal Palace https://democracy.croydon.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?ID=595 This may happen by Feb 12th and there are questions still over the use of ANPR schemes to control traffic however the decision was based on resident pressure and consultation feedback. Does this imply hope for Southwark doing the right thing and running consultations and listening to the results ?

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diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, I certainly wouldn't advocate what you said, > instead I think education is the key, but as KK > has pointed out, you will always get a hardcore > that won't have the vaccine for whatever reason, > I'm afraid that goes with the territory of a > modern, functioning democracy. > The question is what level of take-up is required > to make the anti-vaxxers irrelevant/redundant? Do > we actually need 100% take-up? > We already have a high percentage of people who > are happy to have the vaccine compared to a lot of > other countries, from memory in the low 80's, and > I'd expect that to go higher. > Also, what are the conditions that cause a virus > to mutate? > I'm sorry, you making me PM doesn't give me > special powers to answer that, but I read > somewhere that one reason could be the heavy viral > loads that built-up when the schools and > universities went back , which if the case could > mean it's unlikely that the anti-vaxxers would > cause a mutation themselves as they are a > dispersed grouping, what with them tapping away on > their keyboards all day and night in their > 'command centre'. > Regardless, I'd listen to the science and follow > it, something this Gov has failed to do, most > notably prior to this deadly third wave. > And as an aside, there's no point the UK having a > successful vaccine take-up if other countries > don't, it needs to be a global effort, so 'vaccine > nationalism' can fook right off. > > So, vote DR for a brighter, happier future, and > more importantly the banning of Spartacus' corny > jokes... Now we're having a debate Good question concerning what percentage of people need to be vaccinated, I don't have an answer to that as I'm not doing the scientific research, I guess it needs to be low enough to halt transmission and stop mutations / variants that could negate the vaccine. Education is good but if we get a (say) 30% refusal then education alone may non be enough. The "branding" of those that refused was designed to open a discussion on how do you manage a higher take up and not my preferred option. The mutation caused by viral loads is possibly correct but as this one started in deepest darkest Kent then my thoughts are that it wasn't to do with schools / universities going back but it's spread may well have been speeded up by the return from university over Christmas. It's interesting that we do about 48% of the world's genome sequencing so identified the new variant but there is no guarantee this variant started here so could have travelled from somewhere else (theory only) and if that's the case then the whole schools / university's debate is muted and the fact it's a government failure would have to be called into question. Whilst anti Vaxers May be low in number, if (say) it's predominantly in certain communities then there may be large numbers of people in small areas where mutations could occur one theory is that the mutation started with one person who was unsuccessfully treated for covid but it mutated and if that's the case then even small numbers of unvaccinated people could present a risk. Totally agree about a global programme and as we are one off lead supporters of covax (second biggest funder) then we're doing a lot to make that happen We also created one of the vaccines which wouldn't have happened without our scientific investments over the years and recent government investment I sometimes feel that people knock the government for making mistakes but miss things that they get right. Yes mistakes have been made but would a different PM have got everything right ? Would there be questions about decisions made by Jezza or Teresa or David if things had gone differently over the years ? I suspect they would also have made mistakes. Would you really like to be PM? It's a thankless job and the pressures must be horrendous. Thank you for a proper debate, it's all I ask for (apart from my own comedy show of course)

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Keep plugging away Spartacus, as I said before, > you're now embarrassing yourself... God loves a Trier DR and you are trying so hard to convince yourself ...

PS DR I can't believe that even you would stoop so low to mention state sponsored genocide on works holocaust day. That's totally beyond acceptable standards of behaviour.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's really cool, how do you make the letters go > bold like that ? Magic I could show you but when I type the commands in it makes the text bold so it doesn't help ... Lol

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > it was you who called me "Stupidcus" yet I've > > never resorted to calling you names > > Well, if you insist on posting stupid comments. > How's your 'state sponsored genocide' plan > going?... Still trying to destroy my character rather than posting constructive comments ... Sticks and stones .... I never said state sponsored genocide, that's your comment and opinion .... But if you want me to resort to your playground tactics diable rouge is a BULLY

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus, get a grip, you're embarrassing > yourself... And yet more proof of your bullying ... But if people want even more proof, on the 6th Jan this year on the "we are indeed fortunate" thread, it was you who called me "Stupidcus" yet I've never resorted to calling you names Maybe it's time people stood up and say "no more" when you belittle them and the forum can get back to a place of lively discussions, humour and fun again instead of the seething cesspit of rage that it often is now.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 100... And yet you persist ..... Thus proving the point and charges against you. Are you THAT scared of having a proper discussion or is it just that you simply enjoying belittling people who call you out for online bullying ?

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Reaching a middle ground involves talking, > > listening and compromise on both sides > otherwise > > it becomes a place of toxicity. > > The lack of self-awareness is strong in this > one... Sigh Yes it is in you , over the years I've watched your posts, your bullying and belittling when people disagree with your limited view of the world yet when challenged to a debate you don't respond without trying to damage their reputation Thank the stars you aren't in charge (and it's not a job I want either before you comment) as people want to debate with you but not if you resort to underhand tactics to try and score points without a solid response.

So what's your solution DR ? If people don't take up the vaccine and the virus mutates as a result and thousands more die as the vaccine stops protecting us , will you still point your finger at the government for not doing enough or will you say that's the consequence of free choice as you cough and splutter ? It's not moving the goal posts it's having a discussion but you seem to think that the government doesn't do enough but if they do something then they are taking our liberties away. That's the real crux of your arguments, damned if they do damned if they don't For a change don't try and take people's legs away by mocking them because you disagree, but offer ideas and solutions. And as I asked at the beginning of the response (but will reword it), what would your solution be if you were PM ?

And DR proves Louisa's point perfectly with the image of tumble weed ! DR maybe try and engage with people rather then mocking when they don't agree with your views After all it's a forum for everyone not just those with the loudest voices. Reaching a middle ground involves talking, listening and compromise on both sides otherwise it becomes a place of toxicity.

Been reading Mein Kampf again DR? 😱 Whilst you painted a very stark picture like that, if they refuse the vaccine and deny covid exists then why are they allowed to waste valuable NHS resources if they do catch it ? After all , in their minds, it's not going to kill them or anything ? Sadly the truth is people will refuse the vaccine, the virus will be transmitted by them and as a result it will fund ways to mutate and infect the vaccinated resulting in this pandemic going on and on and on. So whilst you were trying to paint a dystopian future there is a question of how to make the vaccine deniers take it to protect the masses , should it be deny them covid treatment, should it be peer pressure (much like the campaigns in the past to make us wear seat belts or reduce drink driving ) The issue (and whilst I was being controversial with my post) is how to ensure everyone is protected and the virus can't get a foothold and mutate enough to make the vaccine invalid. Maybe something to discuss rather then trying to paint me and others as part of the new order 🤔

JohnL Wrote: -------------------------------------------------- > If you tell me what to do I'll do the opposite > thanks. And that highlights the issue People don't like to be told what to do

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > JohnL Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > CNN went live to the Boris news conference > > today > > > and gave a summary of where the UK is in > terms > > of > > > deaths and cases. They seem to be taking an > > > interest in UK politics recently - maybe > > they're > > > gaining UK based viewers. > > > > > > The look on their faces as Boris said his > stuff > > > about having tried his best and done > everything > > he > > > could.. > > > > What's this for to do with people denying the > > virus exists or are you just having a rant ? > > > > Stick on topic ! > > Boris is a denier at heart. He would have let the > virus run rip if he was allowed (or maybe it was > the influence of his evil mate who is probably > still skulking around). Ah I see So it's a rant Boris, as you remember, caught and went to hospital with covid so I think he hasn't denied it exists. He's made mistakes granted but so have governments around the world. This thread is about people denying that covid exists by protesting, trying to convince others to break rules and potentially refusing vaccination. If you want to be political please do it on one of the other political based threads.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CNN went live to the Boris news conference today > and gave a summary of where the UK is in terms of > deaths and cases. They seem to be taking an > interest in UK politics recently - maybe they're > gaining UK based viewers. > > The look on their faces as Boris said his stuff > about having tried his best and done everything he > could.. What's this for to do with people denying the virus exists or are you just having a rant ? Stick on topic !

PeckhamNicola Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Where did toys r us go ? > > > > It's been been so long since I went to the okr > > went bust a few years ago. Nooooooo Next you will be telling me woollies is no more 😱

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > After all they don't believe Covid exists or > think > > it's a government conspiracy so they won't > catch > > it so won't need treatment > > What about those that are genuinely worried about > possible side effects, is it safe etc?... That's a case of education and reassurance but if they still refuse, unless for genuine medical reasons, then they should be deemed to have signed away the right to covid treatment It's similar to the principle (but not the same as) the organ donor register now uses, unless you have specifically said not to use your organ's after death they can be ..

Here's a controversial idea With a small proportion of the population saying they won't have the vaccine, should the NHS record their NHS number on a database and then refuse them treatment if they catch Covid ? After all they don't believe Covid exists or think it's a government conspiracy so they won't catch it so won't need treatment 🤔