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bels that's a very interesting report ,thank you for posting . It is indeed comprehensive and I'm still digesting the contents . Have hopefully attached some of the key points. https://imgur.com/a/YUe9pAn https://imgur.com/a/MGn1hyk https://imgur.com/a/Ogcbiuz

The coaches are so large ,the ones I saw leaving Townley Road had no more than 5 passengers . So one has to believe that the other schools have much higher numbers of users . I wonder why the disparity .

I do understand the one coach v. lots of cars ,though when I've seen coaches driving off they have v. few passengers .Possibly picking up at Townley and then off to other schools ? The need to soak my head is prompted more by the plethora of groups all considering similar issues but this glaring aberration persisting plus the narrow vision of some eg focussing on Calton Road . Plus the clear breeches of law by some drivers of coaches and the apparent lack of will by the authorities to address this .

And this http://dulwichsaferoutes.blogspot.com/p/school-initiatives.html indicates that all Alleyns sites have been awarded a TfL Gold Star award .Which involves "Gold Be among the top 10% of London schools, setting high standards to inspire others to transform travel habits, fully engage the wider community to promote best practices, and see a measurable reduction in the number of journeys made by car every day. What you need to do Within three academic years complete 25 different travel activities, 15 supporting activities and 8 consultation activities Provide evidence for each activity completed Demonstrate at least a 6% modal shift away from the car or at least 90% of pupils travelling actively" so the coach situation is obviously not only fine but recognised as a good thing . So I'm off to put my head in a bucket of water .

I've been searching ( without success) on Dulwich Society because I'm sure I saw some info on what's happening re the LordshipLane/South Circular crossing issue . I don't really do Twitter and all that stuff so I was surprised to see all the organisations all interested in pollution/congestion etc . https://twitter.com/CleanAirDulwich/status/1197810078201647104 I see the clean air group have asked the police to intervene re Townley Rd - or more specifically and narrowly the Calton Ave junction with . So I can see that this thread is redundant .

I quite agree re those two mikeb .

I did go to 2 workshops - one at the library and one at Christchurch at top of Barry Rd ,I didn't attend the Dulwich Village ones because I wasn't aware of them .And I only knew about the one at top of Barry Rd because I got an email from a councillor who I'd spoken to personally . It seems such an odd consultation ,and really it shouldn't be difficult to unpick because you haven't been to a workshop .

I've taken the opportunity to express views on what measures I think might help the issuesin Townley Road . Are you saying that the consultation is only about junctions ? That would be odd .

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Thanks for that clean air . I hadn't realised that this survey included Townley Road because I was under the impression ,gained from the map attached to the survey ,that Townley Road was not in the areas being considered .

I think they are community wardens .They wear red jackets . https://www.southwark.gov.uk/community-safety/community-wardens

It seems odd to have community wardens dealing with what are traffic offences .I wonder why they are there and not Traffic Wardens ,or even police support officers . I think the community officers can only warn drivers and then "if necessary" pass the details on for a penalty notice . Some of the coach drivers seem unworried by their presence ,I almost feel it's a question of them running their engines until asked to stop .

"Maybe we should get a group together and do a 'die-in' on the street at school pick up time" Oh Asset ,now that's food for thought ...and I can't decide whether all the objections circling in my brain are just excuses because I'm too lazy/old /tired . If it got some press coverage I think it would be worth doing and you can count me in .

I used to live in Ivanhoe .Wish I still did . A railway line at the bottom of your garden gives you that bit of open space that is rare in built up areas .The noise from trains is far less intrusive than that generated by neighbours .

One of the things that gets under my skin regarding this is the attitude of some of the drivers .Posters have complained in the past of this and I have experienced it first hand . The hostility and unpleasantness is something to behold .They ( though I imagine some are reasonable ) clearly have no intention and feel no need to co operate with efforts to reduce pollution or to respect other users of the road . Other blood pressure dangers are the length of time this has been going on and the inescapable feeling that this is a special case where the law does not apply and health and safety are no concern.

I'm inclined to agree Asset. I like Penguin's post,with the usual attention to detail ,from 2 years ago . Penguin68 10 November, 2017 10:50 On the basis that the school presumably is contracted with the coach company (even if it does not control the actions of the coach drivers) it might be worth writing to the school enquiring whether their insurance covers them for being sued should there be loss of property or life consequential on the blocking of access to emergency vehicles by the coach companies with whom they work, as the the problem of coach parking has been made clear to them on numerous occasions such that they could not claim ignorance of it. I doubt, based on some of the photographs I have seen, that fire engines could necessarily get through, and even where drivers moved to allow then to this would necessarily hold up their access. but I've not taken up his suggestion .

It's beyond me how it carries on ,if it were in Lordship Lane I'm sure it wouldn't be dealt with by one community support officer asking drivers in stationery vehicles to turn engines off and with illegal parking and road obstruction just ignored . Townley Rd appears to form a boundary btwn Goose Green Ward and Dulwich Village . I have emailed the Labour councillors James McAsh et al and asked him to forward my comments to his DV colleagues if appropriate .

Milan - I have heard it mentioned that the coaches will be taking a different route to Townley Road .Is that what you are referring to ? Or something to do with the parking in Townley Rd ?

And finally ,if anyone wants contact details for the school Foundation Coaches managers Mr Leslie Okyne Transport Manager Foundation Schools' Coach Service Dulwich College London SE21 7LD Phone: 020 8299 9262 Mobile: 07712 924999 email: [email protected] Ms Shaharah Hutchinson Transport Administrator email: [email protected] Mrs Shirley Hardy Customer Services email: [email protected]

Things don't seem to have moved on from this post from 2017 School coaches Townley Road Posted by Glemham 30 November, 2017 17:02 A few local residents met with the Foundation Schools' Coach Service Manager, Leslie Okyne. He has only been in post since the summer and is based at Dulwich College. He is very aware of the problems in Townley Road.In the short term he is hoping to stagger the arrival of the coaches for picking up outside Alleyn's. Although the 'coach base' is for 7 coaches, currently 13 are in use. However drivers who arrive later are finding parking spaces already taken by parents and visitors, including other coaches bringing teams for sport. The situation is further exacerbated because when the road was resurfaced in the summer some of the double yellow lines were not replaced so there is more parking space for cars. It's obvious to residents that there needs to be a concerted effort by Southwark Council, Alleyn's,and the Coach Service to find a long term solution for Townley Road. In particular we would ask that 1. the suggestions from last year's Coach Services Study [consultations.southwark.gov.uk] for shuttle buses to and from a coach park on the South Circular be given more serious consideration; 2. that Southwark more rigorously enforces traffic and parking violations, puts back double yellow lines, and considers having parking restrictions in the afternoons on weekdays outside Alleyn's say between 3 and 4 pm; 3. Alleyn's does more to control the congestion outside the school for the safety of all who use Townley Road at the end of the school day

An old problem as this thread from 2017 ,where all the old favourites that wea are still discussing appear. /forum/read.php?5,1879512,page=1 It all carries on .Last night a coach parked at j of Dovercourt and Townley opposite traffic island .Vehicles exiting Dovercourt and driving along Townley Rd having to drive on wrong side of road . Coaches parked outside bays . Engines running .Drivers with well practised responses - the "can't hear what you're saying " coupled with turning the head away ,"behave" ,angry shouts of "why are you taking a photo ?" ,"I'm just moving off " .The latter from a coach who had yet to collect a single passenger . A lone community officer was present but I fear he was outnumbered and not succeeding in his task .I wonder what the prescribed tactic is with drivers who ignore you and pretend they can't hear/understand what you are saying ? James Barber posted back in 2017 04 December, 2017 11:53 "Hi ZT, Southwark Council is about to implement - having made the Traffic Management Order in May, parking enforcement officers being allowed to warn and then if necessary issue tickets for people leaving motor vehicles engines running." and the community support officer confirmed that he could report coaches with engines running . I imagine giving a verbal warning to some of these drivers requires dedication to duty and a very thick skin.

I think it was TownleyGreen that suggested that car parking could not be allowed on any of the open land ( inc the area fronting the main school building ) because it was zoned as MOL .

Wasn't the planning application for the theatre building orginally refused by Southwark because it was to be built on MOL ? I know it was appealed and that it was dealt with by ? public enquiry . Anyone remember the details ?

"bizarre approach of residents mini-referenda on each traffic restriction that Southwark seems increasing driven towards. It's a silly way to design area wide traffic measures that won't deliver the radical changes we need to breathe clean air" Well put rollflick .It's all smoke ( ha! ) and mirrors enabling S'wark to say that they are consulting with the public . They seem to place a higher value on "consultation" than action .

goldilocks there is a current consultation collecting views on the DV area .But this is a part of a wider exercise and area which does indeed include North X road . https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/roadworks-and-highway-improvements/street-improvements/our-healthy-streets-dulwich