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"I watched people drive down Sydenham Hill this morning - discover no right turn (road layout means that?s only option) so they took a left" I'm so confused - I thought when you drove down Sydenham Hill (with recreation ground on your right ,estate on your left ) you could only turn left ? What am I missing ????

IME car parking on Southwark estates is usually in car parking bays .I imagine roads etc on council estates would be part of the estate and owned by Southwark .

"Why do council tenants get free parking permits?" The link posted relates to parking for residents of council estates on their estate .

I support initiatives to discourage ppl driving children to school ,there is a distinction between using a vehicle solely to get a child to school and those who are dropping a child off and then continuing their journey to work/hospital appt/drop another child off at a different school . Obviously this isn't ideal but sometimes it's the only way that some can keep all the balls they are juggling up in the air .

Much as Penguin has said . I think re open West Peckham thread as although some overlap is inevitable the main area and consultation are distinct and in danger of getting lost on what is now the main ED CPZ thread . There will always be some cross posting of comments on councillors threads as posters seek to draw attention to topical issues .

Eileen - it seems that the West Peckham CPZ was locked because it was about a CPZ and there were other threads about CPZ's . I guess ,even though they were threads about completely different CPZs the potential for duplication and confusion was there . I personally would have liked the West Peckham one to have remained ,moved to the Lounge where non East Dulwich matters are discussed ,but that's just a personal view and is not meant as a criticism of Admin for locking it!

I love looking at census returns on line .Took me some time to realise that once you've accessed one entry you can flick through the whole return . The Victorian period is well documented in the census returns . lots of detail here ,especialy the Historic England/English Heritage report . http://peckhamheritage.org.uk/peckhams-history-and-heritage/ http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Historic_Peckham https://research.historicengland.org.uk/redirect.aspx?id=7094|Central%20Peckham%20Historic%20Area%20Assessment

Eileen Wrote: > > I tried a week or so ago to put a comment about > the extension on the thread on this forum about > the 'West Peckham (?North Dulwich) CPZ but was > blocked I assume by the auto process even though I > stripped Peckham out of the text. Peckham is not a banned word on his forum! Nothing was blocked by the Admin team. But the West Peckham thread was locked wasn't it ? Perhaps that's what Eileen had in mind .

"I know comments have been made that spaces will be lost because of yellow lines across dropped kerbs" - it's the extending of double yellow lines either side of the dropped curb that is going to have a significant impact . Where there is a run of 2 or more dropped curbs the proposed extension of yellow lines wipes out the space between them where once a car parked . I really feel this is needless and I am not perusaded by the need to improve sight lines for cars using the dropped curb .

No ,most of Barry Rd won't be double yellows mrwb ,car parking spaces will be lost but mostly it will be resident CPZ permit parking if the proposals go ahead.

rahrahrah "If you buy a house next to a train station, you must expect some commuters to park near it (You yourself will have no need to drive to a station of course, but would still like to store a car there during the day - apparently something which deserves priority). This whole thing feels a bit like chucking your litter over the neighbours fence. You move somewhere it's hard to park, campaign to privatise the road (giving Apcoa the right to milk a public amentity for their profit) and push traffic onto roads further out. How about we just accept that people have an equal right to use public space. " I completely agree .Have been wondering how to phrase my view ,glad that you've put into words what I think .

Jim do you mean that there are more available spaces to park ? What do you think is the reason for this ? I just don't understand how where I live ( might be different in other roads near the railway ) there will be an increase in parking spaces . Double yellow lines are proposed where there are currently none and we do not have a problem with commuters parking . There is always space to park .There won't be if the proposals are implemented .

So is that the real reason for the "parklets" a safe place to tie your unicorn up ! 🤔 very good ! Lots of good points on the CPZ on the goose green councillors thread http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1932267,2003894,page=8#msg-2003894

Just looked at James's twitter and seen this Labour councillor for @GooseGreenLab, Southwark. Primary school teacher and President of @LambethNUT. does he sleep at all ?

Ok . I guess the assumption is that a number of parked cars are owned by non residents .Which I can see might be the case in roads near the station . But not so much in Barry Rd .And a number of other roads not near the station or LL.

MarkT "let's be clear on what is meant by promise of 40% increase in parking. As I understand it they mean that if on a typical street before introduction of the CPZ you might have a choice of 10 available (ie currently empty) spaces to park your car, after introduction of the CPZ you would have choice of 14 spaces." thank you for that ,it has the ring of a LA explanation and you're probably right in saying that's how they calculate spaces . It doesn't help me understand though ,how do 10 spoaces become 14 by marking out residents/pay and display spaces ? ( by the way when I say the proposed CPZ with residents parking and new waiting restrictions would remove 5 spaces near me I am not including "spaces" across dropped curbs )

Good point ,Abe .

Is it just me that doesn't understand the assertion that the CPZ will increase parking spaces ? "Eileen, at the drop in session last Saturday, Joanna told me that extending the double yellow lines as they have and turning the white lines at dropped curbs into extra long double yellow lines would increase parking in the CPZ by 40%." Where I live on Barry Rd as I look out of my window I can see 5 car parking spaces that would be removed by the proposed extension of double yellow lines either side of dropped curbs . And as there have been zero traffic incidents in the last 30 years at any of these dropped curbs I can see no rationale for extending waiting restrictions .

As Mark T has said the Barry Rd proposals for traffic calming need to be considered in conjuction with the CPZ proposals for that road . I don't know if the comments made at the drop in re Barry Rd are being taken into account and if a revised scheme will be presented ,but it would be useful to know whether the proposed traffic pillows are to be retained and what impact ,if any ,they will have on parking . FWIW I don't think it was a question of the representatives ( a Southwark engagement officer and staff from the consultancy agency ) denying knowledge of the CPZ .From answers to other questions ,they genuinely had no knowledge of the area - no clue that traffic pillows had been tried previously and removed because buses were unable to clear them ,no knowledge that the Barry Rd /Underhill Rd junction had seen several RTA ,no familiarity with local road names etc . More worringly there was an astonishing arrogance - when I asked whether TfL had been involved in the peoposals I was told that there was no need for this as Barry Rd was a road maintained by Southwark .

I often have similar thoughts about the cafe in Dulwich Park .

Where I live in Barry Rd parking is blissfully problem free . I know ,lucky us ,but we did choose to live where we live . The CPZ proposals will revoke that at a stroke by the removal of so many parking spaces. Double yellow lines across dropped curbs wiping out adjacent spaces and spaces in between 2 dropped curbs . Plus we'll have to pay .I would cough up the fee but not to facilitate making life more difficult .

onlyk - it's not just double yellow lines across the dropped curb ,they will extend either side . There are a couple of properties near me that have two dropped curbs currently with a large parking space inbetween them . The proposed extension of double yellow lines removes that parking space . No accidents have taken place with the current set up in the last 30 years . We all know they will do what they want .The consultation is just expensive window dressing designed to tick a box .

I don't understand why S'wark seem unable to organise more effective drop ins . I was so put off by the previous one I attended at Dulwich Library ( street calming ) that I didn't struggle (unwell today ) to get to this one . There is no mention of the traffic pillows proposed for Barry Rd ( at the above )on the current plans for a CPZ .My understanding is that such pillows will mean no parking either side and it seems odd not to integrate this with the current plans . Regardless of this, the proposed yellow lining of dropped curbs and their extension either side of the dropped curbs will significantly reduce parking spaces on Barry Rd . Can someone tell me whether some of the stretches of blue residents parking are replacing current yellow lines ?

Hi Admin - I see that 2 CPZ threads have been locked . The remaining CPZ thread has a title about the CPZ in roads off Lordship Lane and the discussion seems to be centred on how it will affect the shops in Lordship Lane ,plus some discussion of parking near the station . The area actually reaches from ED station to the Plough and from Greendales to Barry Rd and Peckham Rye Common .Lots of streets that could not be described as off LL. I did PM the OP of the LL thread to ask if the title could be ammended to indicate that the area is much wider than that indicated by the title . Why has the thread re the larger area of ED been locked ? If having 2 threads is deemed undesirable could the "streets off " title be ammended to indicate that it is discussing the whole ED CPZ inc the effect on the shops in LL ? The West Peckham CPZ is a different area altogether from the ED one and the subject of a seperate consultation ,it's not a duplication .Or is there another reason for it being locked ?

Drop in session re CPZ in East Dulwich tomorrow Sat 26th Push Studios 17 Blackwater St SE22 8RS Tomorrow ,Sat 26th 2pm to 5pm "come along and talk to officers"