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I agree with you Galileo - many roads in East Dulwich are too narrow for vehicles to pass - the congestion ,road rage,car damage and pollution is not confined to streets near railway stations and is a widespread problem in ED . The proposed extension of yellow lines may help this by drastically reducing parking for any vehicle ,resident or not . Which won't make it easier for a resident to use their car . Pollution is a problem and I can understand S'warks motivation in wanting to reduce vehicle movements . Having a CPZ may reduce parking stress for some but won't reduce those movements ,but possibly increase them .

I'm thinking that having a CPZ in roads near East Dulwich station might in fact encourage car use ,especially for short journeys . Residents of those roads ,prior to a CPZ ,might have been discouraged from making short and medium trips because of difficulty parking on return . They might have been encouraged ,living so near a railway station and bus routes ,to use public transport instead . But with a CPZ they can pop out and back at will. And the domino effect will mean commuters driving further to look for car parking in neighbouring roads . Thoughts?

It will be the burst water main up towards the Horniman . http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,2005260

I guess we ( including myself ) need to take note of how S'wark have titled this consultation East Dulwich parking and healthier streets consultation . Guessing the reduction in parking spaces and attempt to reduce the amount of parking by non residents feeds into the "healthier streets" . It's not going to feed into improving my mental helth/mood ,that's for sure .

"I guess in some parts of the CPZ area it might make sense if there is nowhere to park due to commuter parking or whatever. I guess if thousands of people paying ?125 a year to park is the only way to solve that issue so be it?" I mind the fact that it would be a lot harder for us to park our car (due to yellow lines round dropped curbs )much much more than forking out ?2.50 a week . Having to pay that for increased parking problems in my area so that ppl who have chosen to live in a street v near a railway station stretches my goodwill .

ok thanks ,think I've got it now !

Bic Basher thanks .

"But now you need to turn right in front of the Horniman towards Forest Hill." when you say turn right in front of the Horniman are you talking about traffic coming down Sydenham Rise ? Sydenham Hill joins the main road well before the Horniman if I recall .

Phew ! Thought I'd really lost it then . Can anyone tell me the 197 route heading south from Peckham to Croydon .Is it missing Barry Rd and going up Forest Hill Rd and along Wood Vale ?

"I watched people drive down Sydenham Hill this morning - discover no right turn (road layout means that?s only option) so they took a left" I'm so confused - I thought when you drove down Sydenham Hill (with recreation ground on your right ,estate on your left ) you could only turn left ? What am I missing ????

IME car parking on Southwark estates is usually in car parking bays .I imagine roads etc on council estates would be part of the estate and owned by Southwark .

"Why do council tenants get free parking permits?" The link posted relates to parking for residents of council estates on their estate .

I support initiatives to discourage ppl driving children to school ,there is a distinction between using a vehicle solely to get a child to school and those who are dropping a child off and then continuing their journey to work/hospital appt/drop another child off at a different school . Obviously this isn't ideal but sometimes it's the only way that some can keep all the balls they are juggling up in the air .

Much as Penguin has said . I think re open West Peckham thread as although some overlap is inevitable the main area and consultation are distinct and in danger of getting lost on what is now the main ED CPZ thread . There will always be some cross posting of comments on councillors threads as posters seek to draw attention to topical issues .

Eileen - it seems that the West Peckham CPZ was locked because it was about a CPZ and there were other threads about CPZ's . I guess ,even though they were threads about completely different CPZs the potential for duplication and confusion was there . I personally would have liked the West Peckham one to have remained ,moved to the Lounge where non East Dulwich matters are discussed ,but that's just a personal view and is not meant as a criticism of Admin for locking it!

I love looking at census returns on line .Took me some time to realise that once you've accessed one entry you can flick through the whole return . The Victorian period is well documented in the census returns . lots of detail here ,especialy the Historic England/English Heritage report . http://peckhamheritage.org.uk/peckhams-history-and-heritage/ http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Historic_Peckham https://research.historicengland.org.uk/redirect.aspx?id=7094|Central%20Peckham%20Historic%20Area%20Assessment

Eileen Wrote: > > I tried a week or so ago to put a comment about > the extension on the thread on this forum about > the 'West Peckham (?North Dulwich) CPZ but was > blocked I assume by the auto process even though I > stripped Peckham out of the text. Peckham is not a banned word on his forum! Nothing was blocked by the Admin team. But the West Peckham thread was locked wasn't it ? Perhaps that's what Eileen had in mind .

"I know comments have been made that spaces will be lost because of yellow lines across dropped kerbs" - it's the extending of double yellow lines either side of the dropped curb that is going to have a significant impact . Where there is a run of 2 or more dropped curbs the proposed extension of yellow lines wipes out the space between them where once a car parked . I really feel this is needless and I am not perusaded by the need to improve sight lines for cars using the dropped curb .

No ,most of Barry Rd won't be double yellows mrwb ,car parking spaces will be lost but mostly it will be resident CPZ permit parking if the proposals go ahead.

rahrahrah "If you buy a house next to a train station, you must expect some commuters to park near it (You yourself will have no need to drive to a station of course, but would still like to store a car there during the day - apparently something which deserves priority). This whole thing feels a bit like chucking your litter over the neighbours fence. You move somewhere it's hard to park, campaign to privatise the road (giving Apcoa the right to milk a public amentity for their profit) and push traffic onto roads further out. How about we just accept that people have an equal right to use public space. " I completely agree .Have been wondering how to phrase my view ,glad that you've put into words what I think .

Jim do you mean that there are more available spaces to park ? What do you think is the reason for this ? I just don't understand how where I live ( might be different in other roads near the railway ) there will be an increase in parking spaces . Double yellow lines are proposed where there are currently none and we do not have a problem with commuters parking . There is always space to park .There won't be if the proposals are implemented .

So is that the real reason for the "parklets" a safe place to tie your unicorn up ! 🤔 very good ! Lots of good points on the CPZ on the goose green councillors thread http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1932267,2003894,page=8#msg-2003894

Just looked at James's twitter and seen this Labour councillor for @GooseGreenLab, Southwark. Primary school teacher and President of @LambethNUT. does he sleep at all ?

Ok . I guess the assumption is that a number of parked cars are owned by non residents .Which I can see might be the case in roads near the station . But not so much in Barry Rd .And a number of other roads not near the station or LL.

MarkT "let's be clear on what is meant by promise of 40% increase in parking. As I understand it they mean that if on a typical street before introduction of the CPZ you might have a choice of 10 available (ie currently empty) spaces to park your car, after introduction of the CPZ you would have choice of 14 spaces." thank you for that ,it has the ring of a LA explanation and you're probably right in saying that's how they calculate spaces . It doesn't help me understand though ,how do 10 spoaces become 14 by marking out residents/pay and display spaces ? ( by the way when I say the proposed CPZ with residents parking and new waiting restrictions would remove 5 spaces near me I am not including "spaces" across dropped curbs )