Mick Mac

Missed last nights game unfortunatley - I'm old enough to rememeber the Liverpool Everton 4-4 draw and that was great fun. Friend at work was there last night and said it was the best game he'd ever seen. I was in Tandoori Nights having a quiet curry with my uncle and have to admit was rather aghast when I found out the score. Wss expecting an early Chelsea goal to end the excitement and a drab affair - seems Liverpool get better and better. I'm now officially worried about my MU bet for the title.

No "pop" intended TLS, all friends here.

Are you taking the Mick TLS.

Sean - it is on the main Lounge screen "Views" and "Posts" are numbered - this is the 106th post for this thread.

Lack of love is not a good thing Legaleagleish - Feel the love from the forum going your direction..... Daizie - I agree no child should be "in charge" especially in a restaurant situation - my children get told quite firmly to bahave and it seems to work, if it didn't I would not take them to a restaurant. Some parents are completely unaware that their children are annoying other diners, which annoys me too. You need to train your children at mealtimes at home before expecting them to suddenly behave well in a restaurant situation.

An Irish one: 1993 All Ireland Semi Final - Derry trailed Dublin at Croke Park by 5 points at half time but a fantastic second half performance by Derry saw them roll over Dublin in the second half, don't recall Dublin scoring any points. Joe Brolly was fantastic and hardly missed in the second half. Derry won the final with ease. Still my favourite GAA game.

Oh go on HB - Are they on the forum?

David - well said - could not agree more with that whole post. HB - well said you too - I think the key word is confused - as I said a lot earlier in this thread, a child receives confused signals from a parent, from whom they expect love and receive love 90% of the time but then that person is also the only person who hits them - it is confusing, and certainly the first time it happens must be shocking. We should not do to children what we would not do to adults or even animals.

I once knew a bloke who admitted to hitting his children regularly but said that he often got comments from other people about how well his children behaved when he was out with them. Does the end justify the means?

Very noble of you BBW to take the hit on that one. Anyway I don't know what a sockmuncher is. PS: Sorry Daizie..

I have read her before in the Sunday Times - I have tended to find her conservative, but have not read her enough to say if this is what's she is like generally. Is she ever anything other than risk averse?

uuum - 15 minutes and no response BBW - I better give up on that one. You have her to yourself mate.

Is it love BBW - is this the love, you have been searching for?

Nice of you to clarify you have never raised a hand to either of your parents BBW. Do you think we should all state that or does it go wihtout saying? Enjoyed your 4 stories - although the first one made me take a puff on my inhaler.

Really? Are you sure?

The only other point I would make is that people often differentite between disciplined smacking and smacking in anger - whilst I understand this argument it all feels equally painful to the child. Brendan - I only used the word pathetic in response to your post as you had said my previous point was bollocks. I'm not normally dismissive of other peoples posts in that way. I do think however that smacking will be illegal at some point in the future. I think its already illegal to use unreasonable force on a child, but my guess is that many children around the country are suffering too much physical punishment. To a certain extent kids will be kids, they will occaisionally step out of line from time to time - its our job to make sure, in a humane way, that they should not repeat their mistakes. Think Moos made her points very well.

Ok - yes - I see your point MP - you are saying too much encouragement can be a bad thing? If thats your point then I agree. Its part of this "you can achieve anything if you believe in it attiude", which can be good but also can give children false hope and they then struggle to deal with failure. If however the kids were "mouthy" I'd suggest they have not been taught to deal with authority and this attitude will cause them problems in their working lives. My point was that in general poor behaviour can reflect poor parenting and poor moral / behavioural guidance of parents.

I don't believe there is any correlation between physical punishment and good behaviour, good bahaviour can be achieved with good discipline re bad behaviour and encouragement re good behaviour. My own children are, so far, very well behaved and respect others. I expect that to continue. Children should trust in their parents and yet always know who is boss. Children should always do what their parents ask. Parents can be firm without resorting to violence. MP - you are assuming that the children you see on TV behave that way becasue they lack physical discipline - I would argue they behave that way because their parents have no moral code.

How about the 2006 (Henrik Larsson inspired) Barcelona comeback in the Champions League final win over L'Arse.

With Liverpool trying to achieve the impossible comeback tomorrow night, it has prompted me to think of great sporting comebacks we might all think of as the best. I'll start with: 1999 - France beat the All Blacks in the Rugby World Cup, having trailed the mighty All Blacks by 14 points at the end of the first half. It was one of the greatest rugby games ever.

In this thread you are asked to think back. You like a particular band or singer and you try to recall what was the first song you heard to spark an interest in that band or singer. The first song I heard from Tom Waits was "Martha" - at University in 1988 a friend lent me the album Closing Time and encouraged me to listen - I liked what I heard and will always remember that as my first Tom Waits listen. So: Tom Waits - Martha Heres a link for those who do not know it (I could not find Tom W doing it himself but this guy does it nicely) Martha

Its called "the Chelsea game" now is it?

I think its pretty good value. Nice to have a base package that we all have to pay for. I'm a big supporter of the the BBC. Think very little of ITV, could easily do without it. C4 is probably second best behind the Beeb channels, for me.

What a pathetic attitude to children Brendan. Children look up to their parents and the shock of being "smacked" by a parent will probably stay with them for a long time. Children have a right to expect encourangement from their parents.

I'm indecisive on newspapapers but recently started getting the Guardian and was aquite impressed after years of reading Times and Telegraph.