DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Come off it d_carnell, that's just the kind of > cr@p that Cameron is talking about. Are you > seriously suggesting that if you are not a > > "well educated, nutritionally aware, middle-class > male with a stable, well paid job and a support > network consisting of similar" > > then you don't know that eating pies makes you > fat? Yeah, I suppose you could be a woman. ;-) With an entirely straight-face (so you don't mistake this for irony) - yeah, a bit. I think there are degrees of ignorance but no doubt this fella was pretty close to the bottom of the spectrum. And ignorance breeds. > As for the neighbour/hood point, if by paying > benefits and providing housing centrally you > effectively remove interdependence from > communities then you also remove a powerful > incentive for people to respect and look out for > each other. You mentioned rental properties - go > look at some and compare them with owner-occupied > places. It's all about responsibility, decisions > and consequences - exactly Cameron's point. How do I know which are rental and which owner-occupied? How do you? Would you replace council housing and incapacity benefit with some form of community support network? From the looks of things on this thread, god help anyone who findsd themselves unemployed or with a booze prblem in East Dulwich. But, not for the first time, Mr McG does says it rather better than I did and in fewer words.