TE44

Heres a link Kes, http://www.sott.net/articles/show/236170-New-Study-Vaccinated-Children-Have-2-to-5-Times-More-Diseases-and-Disorders-Than-Unvaccinated-Children

Thanks Kes for correcting me, I do believe it is spelt herd though. I also can't see why people think this should not be something to talk about, when doctors (google doctors speak out against vaccines)themselves are concerned, and it can't be easy after Wakefield.If people hadn't fought to prove the dangers of thimerosal and had believed it was a concern that should be left in the hands of the defenders of these vaccines,where would the public health issue be now. Quite simply I believe in natural immunity.

Pickle, I am aware that this is not just a childhood issue, at the moment there is an awful lot of adult mumps in Scotland, and I try to stay informed, often by the old fashioned, through friends and family. I feel the discussion would go round and round when focusing on herdmentality, but I have looked extensively into the history of vaccines and honestly believe I am not putting others at risk. I cannot see how you can believe an immunised child would be more at risk when you believe the vaccine give protection. I was worried in the past when vaccines were being administered at school, but found it very hard to be heard, when suggesting maybe the timing should be looked at, but because of a blame attitude it often stopped any conversation. There has not been enough studies done on unvaccinated children, but the one I mentioned earlier (think its a german study) came up with some interesting findings around allergies. Many other things have to be considered and I was glad to see this was pointed out eg diets, alternative life styles. sorry pickle I mean njc73, think thats enough of internet just now, so time consumin. Still find internet a very strange enviroment.

I did not have a computer when my children were young, I learnt through my past experiences and books. There is an on going questionaire on line for people who have not vaccinated, there is very little scientific studies been done lookin at difference. I began this questionaire but decided against putting my details in Now i'm sure to some this would confirm I am a conspiracy theorist, but It does not surprise me that compulsary vaccines are now being debated. I do not think it is arrogant to question the medical profession Prickle,on a systematic and individual level mistakes are made. We each have responsibility for our children and our own health, we teach our children as they grow, to see and choose options that will help them to be responsible for there health. My children are now grown and understand the choices I made for them and if I'm honest its a relief they can now make there own informed decisions Got to say if I thought any of them would speak with such disregard to parents who have belief that vaccination is right for there children, I would be extremely disappointed.

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My response is to TE44 who is clearly trying to > resurrect the MMR/Autism scare on this forum by > linking through to a scare site. Saffron too > (JABs). Taper, you cannot be more wrong, I did not ressurect this thread and would not have even considered it when another mother has put her concerns about her child after vaccination, on a very recent post.

That must have been very difficult hellosailor, I hope your daughter recovered without any lasting effects. As you said we can only choose what we believe to be best, When my daughter was little and had whooping cough, i found the doctor very unhelpful, he seemed more interested in blaming me than caring for her. I have also found this with some parents, especially when kids were at school. I think it is a difficult decision, but one that should b down to us.

Hellosailor, I have not had my children vaccinated, but have many friends who have, and who, like you, would support nther peoples rights to choose. When people cannot support others with different views, it often leads to segragration eg susyps post.

Saffron, this was something that worried me, a couple of years ago, when the tamiflu was stockpiled for seemingly epidemic, (sorry cant quite remember, bird flu ?) Our goverment also have power to make vaccines mandatory, although they said they had no intemtions of implementing it at that time. I believe this was because there statistics had many flaws and also there was much resistance. The majority of states in America made flu jab compulsary then.

susyp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > but perhaps children who are not vaccinated should > not be enrolled in schools , as it affects > everyone when the herd immunity decreases. > susypx What about parks, playgronds, swimming, or would it just be school.

The BMJ are polling and debating whether vaccination should be mandatory, at the moment. Whatever you decide,I believe parents should have the choice.

Italian court holds MMR causes autism. http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/italy-court-holds-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism-iv-but-so-has-the-usa-some-autism-history/

What a relief for you Saila, as others have said, it seems a lot of unnecessary stress, I also know many people who have been in this situation, and sometimes its continued through there pregnancy, and then had perfect babies. Enjoy your pregnancy Saila.

My boys are all very different, as is my daughter. I grew up in a big family, 3 sisters and 5 brothers, I was very resentful of the different chores for the boys, while the domestic chores were specifically for us girls. When I had my own children, and all so different, I realised that it was impossible to attach them to male or female.They are all older now, and all have there own views on this topic. It made me laugh to read one post about boys dressing up, when one of my sons was about 7 he went to a fancy dress party as a girl, (gotta say he looked so pretty) at my friends house, his sisters friend ( a little boy who constantly challenged everyone) asked why he'd came wearing a dress, to which my son replied seriously, its the only one that fitted.

I've booked appointment foq my cat to get his balls cut off. I cant smell it outside, so assumed it was the cat.

I've came back from 4days camping over the weekend,with 2year old and daughter, met up with family and kids, 7months and 4year old. Loads of kids and babies on the field and although I was worried about the weather,public transport and the amount of stuff we had to carry, we had a fantastic time,Yes it was difficult at times, very cold at night,but I think its good to teach young ones (especially central heating generation)that a natural environment offers a chance to appreciate how much we are a part of nature. I'm bothered with ringing in my ears, but not once did I have this when I was away, I'm convinced its caused by a build up of different energies used at home, wi fi, electricity, etc.

Sorry, i wasn't clear, i was speaking in general, not about the mother whos baby was stuck. Often mothers are encouraged to push long before baby is born, of course its hard to tell how long with editing. I very rarely see on this programme any encouragement to be more upright. Of course everyone is different and maybe its the mothers choice.

I am so sorry littlemoo, It definitely puts a different light on it hearing what you went through, so sad.

I cant help wondering if baby hadnt been induced the outcome may have been different. Found it horrific pullin baby before they realised shoulders were stuck. Poor little thing. I can understand being told to push if an epidural has been given and the mother has little or no feelin, but cant understand havin mothers pushing, when there is no overwhelming feeling to push.

Hi catherine, epilepsy can leave children, my daughter had grande mal fits from 18months and they stopped when she was around 6, I did not use the medication as I had similar concerns. Is there any warning before the absences your daughter recognises. I know how difficult it can be to go against the doctors advice, but I felt it was important she understood what was happening. How regular is the absences and how long has she been having them? E dealer It must have been terrible for your sister growing up with no one recognising what was wrong, i hope the medication has turned things round for her.

im sure the op posted with good heart, but i'd imagine the guys trying to keep a low profile.

Just because your opinion differs from mine does not make my views irrational. I wonder if you met someone whos child had been damaged by vaccine you would hold the same view. How sad it is that when parents are faced with this decision, they have no understanding for someone who chooses differently. As someone says above, you can only go with your instinct.There was an on line study done recently, looking at vaccinated and unvaccinated children, (will try 2 find link later), this was the first study done. It was recognised in these studies that often people who do not get there children vaccinated may often have a similiar view to what there children eat, medicine etc. I think the bigger picture is important, and as we all know, we can only do our best, regardless of what your decision is.

There's lots of info emza78, you can only do what you think is best, merry christmas to you, have fun.

I wouldn't trust a system that uses scare tactics instead of educating and being honest. Anyone whos children have been damaged by vaccines will know the fight they must have for it to be even recognised. Although a system is set by goverment, I don't think there figures show a true reflection of the people affected.

I've found children come off night time nappies quickly once they are going to the potty themselves. often after a few weeks the nappy will be dry in the morning. I would not put to much attention on the age,I am from a big family and we were all off nappies before we were two. There were no disposables then but my mum always said,you'll know when there ready when they start realising themselves.I did go with how dry my children were at night, and apart from a few accidents had no problems afterwards.

I don't think there is any set time, all children are different, I would stop putting nappy on in house, when she naps you can put a waterproof sheet under her. She's letting you know when she needs that she's aware, I'd take it off and see how she goes, good luck.