Goose Green Roundabout

[edjoe]

I recently read that a decision has been made by the Council about a new feature for the roundabout at Goose Green/Lordship Lane. Some time ago I saw a form that was being circulated by Council asking peopel what they'd prefer. I hope it will be a tree or improved planting. I fear it will be a scuplutre designed to match the terrible green fence in Goose Green! Does anyone know what's planned or who at the Council might know?

[Brendan]

I filled out the form and asked for a tree. Hopefully it will not be anything man made and ?artistic?. Town planners and architects used to be able to design grand and tasteful decorative structures (like Peckham Rye Station) but one can only assuming that everyone who had this knowledge was killed in WW2 and the libraries bombed because since then bugger all worth looking at has been built.

[Mark]

I believe that a palm tree has been chosen to go on the roundabout but I haven't had it it confirmed.

[Lewis]

Its the tree that won it, although I recall a sculpture polled rather well. I don't know what variety of tree the Council will in their wisdom deem suitable.

[fractionater]

I think it looks quite nice at the moment with the flowers and plants that are on it!

[Brendan]

You're right there. I hope they aren't going to dig everything up.

[Keef]

I hate to say this, but I bet a palm tree will be licked down within a couple of months!

[Jeremy]

Can you fell a palm tree by licking it?

[tommy]

only a sap would try that

[macroban]

Is there an update?

[Frisco]

"I believe that a palm tree has been chosen to go on the roundabout but I haven't had it it confirmed."

Surround it with sand and the roundabout will look like one of these desert islands you get, or used to anyway, in comics and cartoons.

[spadetownboy]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Can you fell a palm tree by licking it?

persistence jeremy persistence.

[downsouth]

I saw the roundabout today and could just picture a silly tree obstructing motorists sight of pedestrians and other traffic - an accident waiting to happen or what?

[Mrs Y]

I completely agree with the notion of obscuring a drivers vision will be a danger at this junction, but if there are plans under way to install something to the roundabout then I'd rather a single tree planted in the center than another piece of modern art which would no doubt be an eyesore and totally out of place.

Mrs Y.

[SeanMacGabhann]

How does this impair driver vision? A driver approaching this junction is concerned about the traffic on the left and right - not dead ahead? Or have I got this wrong?

And the lord forbid we should introduce art into the environment

[Frisco]

It's not that long ago that TfL were trying to have this roundabout removed as part of the red route scheme through ED. It's strange that the council now appears to be trying to make it more of a visual obstruction. I wonder if TfL have been consulted about this proposal?

[downsouth]

The zebra crossings in particular i.e. the on on East Dulwich Road (where Goose Green is)? I hang a right from LL and always look across for anyone walking from the right. At the best of times people don't see pedestrians and IMHO I think this will make it worse.

[Mrs Y]

The layout of the junction allows good views of all adjoining roads therefore keeping it safe. If, depending on the plans, the island was planted out or a piece of art, or for that matter any type of structure (not to upset you arty types) installed it could well obscure drivers vision especially as drivers increasingly ignore vehicles on the roundabout and cut in. A centered single tree, in my opinion would appease both arguments.

PS

I've no objection to art being introduced but, in a structured way and of a suitable nature to the envirnment it's in.

Has any thought been given to why the area is called Goose Green, mmmm there's an idea.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Leaving aside the inherent prejudice ("you arty types")

the quote "could well" obscure... remains. As a driver I would feel confident in my ability to read the road and the junction, If drivers "increasingly ignore vehicles" then I think you have found the problem

[Frisco]

_A centered single tree, in my opinion would appease both arguments._

You can't possibly know that a single centred tree wouldn't cause a problem for drivers and pedestrians, and it seems better to err on the side of caution when proposing to make changes of this kind at such a tight junction and traffic pinch-point. Plus, a single palm tree is not quite the same as a single native tree (or, come to that, a tall thin piece of urban art) because don't necessarily grow upwards to begin with, they tend to remain low and to become quite wide and bushy as they mature.

[Asset]

Shall we cut all the trees at the side of the road down as well, just in case they are distraction too?

[downsouth]

No, just not put them up where there's no need. The flower bed it quite nice as it is is.

[Frisco]

"Shall we cut all the trees at the side of the road down as well, just in case they are distraction too?"

Not necessary in this case, but sadly TfL do seem to be doing quite a lot of that. Plus you are conflating arguments about preserving existing trees and planting new ones in inappropriate places.

[Asset]

it's called being fascetious

[Frisco]

"it's called being fascetious"

I know, mirroring behaviour is a habit I'm trying to kick.