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Flat White (New Zealanders have moved to East Dulwich?)

Lee Scoresby

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EDmummy

EDmummy

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When I left Oz many years (18) ago a flat white was a way to get the amazing independent coffee shops (of which there was only Italian) of not giving you a cappuccino. So, it consisted of coffee plus milk - poured - not heated and therefore flat! My other half has described the coffee that barristas are offering now as the Aussie/NZ flat white which to me sounds more like a latte. Am I wrong?
Dorothy

Dorothy

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No coffee shop that I have ever been to in England can do the sort of white coffee you are given if you ask for a cafe con leche in Spain :(. Which is, I think, a double espresso with a little steamed milk added at the counter, not on the side. Somehow, to me, that is the perfect coffee.


Lattes and cappuccinos are white coffee with far too much milk.


Flat white purports to be the type of Spanish or Italian white coffee I lust after, but I think the milk has to be hot to achieve this.

amyw

amyw

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Hello

no edmummy you are quite right.

a flat white is a bit like a latte only smaller and stronger. the milk is normally creamier too (smaller bubbles i think). you can get a nice one at Sacred cafe just off carnaby street, or Providores in Marylebone high st.

Dorothy, i used to go to a cafe that called the coffee you describe a macchiato. when i fancy it here i ask for a double espresso with a dollop of creamy milk, then i watch them make it so i can shout STOP!!!

but overall i try not to be too precious about coffee as cafes are so different. lots about a successful coffee is really getting what you were expecting. i think.


ps. kiwis are everywhere, i love it cos i like kiwis, and oh yeah, i am one.

peckhamboy

peckhamboy

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Dorothy - try a macchiato, a cortado or a piccolo. They're all pretty similar, but in theory have slightly different amounts of steamed milk. You can get a macchiato in most places but might need to go somewhere they take coffee seriously to get one of the other two. Or just give very precise instructions when you order it...


Sounds like a piccolo might be what you're after (about half as much milk as a flat white, I think).

angelchildsmum

angelchildsmum

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I was living in australia when I was at university and had a part time job in a coffee shop. The difference at that time - which may now have changed of course - was that a flat white was one third coffee, one third hot water and one third milk. while a latte was one third coffee and two thirds milk.


I remember this more clearly than most of the stuff I learnt at university.

Senor Chevalier

Senor Chevalier

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Yeah - eventually. Some way to go yet I think though. Whilst I hate to credit Antipodean's with anything (at all) I was in Sydney last year and the FW's were awesome. I think my question was code for, where do I get a really nice coffee that isn't some sort of silly milkshake.
binary_star

binary_star

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You can get a flat white in London in some branches of Starbucks, Costa and other chains - one of those (can't remember which) at Picadilly Circus for example. The Old Shoreditch Station also serves them, but I appreciate they are a bit far from East Dulwich :D


For places that don't have them at all (and if you like your coffee strong) a small 'wet' latte with a double shot of espresso would come quite close. It would probably still be a bit too milky, but it's normally served with only a bit of microfoam on top so at least there wont be any of the dry stuff.


Mmmm coffee...

Pickle

Pickle

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Starbucks at Sainsbury's Dog Kennel Hill do flat whites, they're not bad - they even put the traditional fern pattern on top. It makes this kiwi smile :) Now if only they'd serve lolly cake for me to have alongside it I'd be the happiest kiwi in East Dulwich!
KirstyH

KirstyH

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Monmouth coffee at London Bridge do a proper flat white ie its not half a pint of coffee coloured warm milk. Could some of the kiwis perhaps open a wee cafe here - come to Nunhead - we have a fab greasy spoon, and of course the unsurpassable Frog on the Green Deli, but we could do with a down to earth place to caffeinate. I can lend my mid-1990s Atomic cookbook if that helps (I've still not actually mastered the cooking bit, but its lovely to slaver over).
nylonmeals

nylonmeals

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The new cafe at the South London Gallery, just along from Peckham Pulse, is staffed by Kiwis (I think) and they do a fabulous flat white.

http://www.southlondongallery.org/page/3009/Caf

Food is lovely too - worth the trek out of SE22 ;-)

huncamunca

huncamunca

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nylonmeals Wrote:

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> The new cafe at the South London Gallery, just

> along from Peckham Pulse, is staffed by Kiwis (I

> think) and they do a fabulous flat white.

> http://www.southlondongallery.org/page/3009/Caf

> Food is lovely too - worth the trek out of SE22

> ;-)


I'm sure it is - but PECKHAM ?


Is a good coffee worth being shanked for ? is a nice biscotti an acceptable prelude to a drive by shooting by crack addled hoodies out joyriding and looking to sate their SE15 bloodlust ?


lets keep this ED please. we dont want any of that SE 15 stuff innit bludz.

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