You know you're an East Dulwichite when.... (Lounged)

[Jah Lush]

Thankfully, I can't relate to any other those things at all.

[Lizziedjango]

...which is a blessed relief Jay Lush. :)

I seriously wish that I could not relate to any of the aforementioned things too. But I can. Unfortunately. Nuff said.

[LuvPeckham]

Keef Wrote:

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> Or not having them! Touche ;-)

Hear Hear

Well said sir.... :))

Personally I always thought you knew when you are an East Dulwichite when the locals stop refering to you as "an incommer" and start asking your opinion on the new wave of 'incomers' (they be the ones with children and buggies and them there fancy nanny things !!)

[AcedOut]

Parenting sounds so much fun!

[ratty]

When you pay ?3.70 for a fooking pint ?????

[crispy]

when you have to ask that question.

[Cassius]

crispy Wrote:

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> When you think the world revolves around your

> children?..

Surely not only in East Dulwich?

[Asset]

you suddenly turn into someone who moans and whinges about buses, kids, expensive tat, people, etc etc.

[Michael Palaeologus]

You're on first name terms with all of the staff of the EDT :))

[Harsh-but-Fair]

you notice that the average age of Mum's pushing bugaboos, in the area, has increased by 10 years!

[Lizziedjango]

What are you saying, HarshButFair....?

[Harsh-but-Fair]

you ask if there a larger uptake of IVF within SE22 ! or am I being a little harsh (...but perhaps fair.) I have twice enquired why Granny is looking after little Jimmy when his Mum and Dad are at work ..only to discover that Granny is Mummy ...Eh..uhm! Suppose 45 isn't that old to have little 'uns Is it?

[annaj]

Harsh and unfair.

It's hard to know where to start with the generalisations and assumptions implied by your last two posts, but I think I'll start with some facts.

It might seem like stating the obvious, but not all older mothers have IVF, some women are naturally fertile into their 40s and not all women who have IVF are older.

Not infertility is down to female factors and not all female infertility is down to age; age is only one factor. Of couples who are infertile, 35-40% will be due to female factors, 35-40% due to male factors and the rest either have problems on both sides or unexplained infertility.

Finally, the idea that middle-class, career women, who want to have it all, are selfishly putting of having children knowing that they can always fall back on IVF, is total nonsense. People decide to have children or not have children for all kinds of reasons. Perhaps the older mothers you've encountered didn't meet the man they wanted to have children with until they were older, perhaps the baby was a late "surprise" after the other children had grown up or from a second relationship, perhaps their partner wasn't ready to have children any earlier.

You just don't know, you're assuming, which is my whole point.

[Jah Lush]

That's told 'em Annaj. It's nothing new. My mother had my younger brother at 43 back in the Sixties. Serendipity played it's part.

[Ted Max]

Finally, the idea that middle-class, career women, who want to have it all, are selfishly putting of having children knowing that they can always fall back on IVF, is total nonsense

Good stuff. You forgot this though, "And even if they were, it'd still be none of your feckin business."

[Harsh-but-Fair]

You know you're an East Dulwichite when....

you can engage in interesting debate without recrimination from the .......oh, never mind.

[Asset]

I'm not sure you were debating anything h-b-f, merely joining the ranks of the bitter.

[Moos]

Without recrimination from the what?

I thought Annaj's reply was perfectly polite (good debating manners) and also factual (ditto). What's the problem?

Spout shit and you'll get questioned. And that, my friends, is when you know you're an East Dulwichite.

[Harry]

ite ?

[HonaloochieB]

Good and pithy point, Harry. I don't like being an East Dulwichite.

It sounds, well a bit, not to say a lot wanky. Perhaps not so much on here, or even within the confines of SE22.

But outside? No. I am an honourar Brixtonian, which I carry proudly. So, any suggestions for an altenative title?

An EAdian? A Dulwicher? An East Dulwicher? A DulEaster? A DulEastian? A Dulwich Easter? A Dulwich Easter? I quite fancy that.

[annaj]

Without recrimination from the what?

Indeed.

I'd love to know what assumptions you were making about me Harsh-but-Fair.

[bignumber5]

HonaloochieB Wrote:

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> So, any suggestions for an

> altenative title?

> An EAdian? A Dulwicher? An East Dulwicher? A

> DulEaster? A DulEastian? A Dulwich Easter? A

> Dulwich Easter? I quite fancy that.

I'm a current boy of East Dulwich, where as when I move away I will become an Ol' East-Dulwicharian.

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H-B-F, not sure that we still live in a world where any sensible gel has herself a husband and 2.4 by her mid-twenties, or else she can't have moved out of her fathers home and must be anxious about being left behind. University demographics are heavily skewed to the female student, and it's not a clever cover for a finishing school, it's about lifestyle choices. Because, d'ya know, fertility does not exclusively correlate with maternal age at the exclusion of all other factors. Happy to draw some pictures and get out the lego if this explanation seems too complex.

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Back on topic, you know you're an EDite when:

you've heard someone announcing some social slander or other, and find yourself looking for a link from guardian.co.uk to show the scallywag what-for ;-)

[SeanMacGabhann]

Harry s post. . . Genius. We need more of you harry!

Confession. I gave h b f the benefit of the doubt originally. But the follow up showed true form. I.e. There is an established blah blah blah

[gjtango]

You used to get lagging off ?1.90 pints of Calsberg in the Goose & Granite for weekends on end to the sounds of R Kelly & 50 Cent.

[Harsh-but-Fair]

annaj

Of course I am making a statement based on my observations of this area- that's the nature of this thread. I cannot completely agree with your statistics and do not observe old Mums in Dulwich as a hobby or pastime. I do have better things to do with my time. However I am generally surpised at the large number of acquantainces/friends who are receiving IVF and, consequently the huge numbers of pushchairs coming down Lordship Lane almost entirely pushed by middle class Mum's, looking knackered, bleary eyed and definitely 35 plus. Go out and have a look!

Sean thanks for the comment but really "....fertility does not exclusively correlate with maternal age at the exclusion of all other factors." well it does a bit doesn't it or else why isn't Granny HBF popping them out with Gramps. The young conceive easier than the old- an incontrovertable truth!. Maybe we should accept with ageing comes the inevitable, or take a trip to that nice Italian Doctor and all have triplets/quadruplets! to further clog the pavement on Lordship Lane.