I am with Jeremy. What does bug me quite a bit though is the whole secured tenancy that can be passed to offspring. I have a friends who have grown up in council housing, and they just totally expect it for themselves, and are getting it. Just doesn't seem fair to the rest of us. Basically, they could grow up, get a really well paid job, and just automatically get a council house, and that just doesn't seem fair. I have sat in the pub with the friends of mine who have grown up in council housing, and listened to them boasting about how they are going to get a new flat, or how they're using some story to blag one, and I sit there nodding and grinning because I don't want to fall out, but what I actually want to say is f**k you, what makes you any different or more deserving than me or anyone else? And CWALD I have to agree with Huguenot that your post did come across a bit like "ha ha, I have all this, you don't", not sure that's how you meant it, but that is how it sounds. Edited to clarify my point a bit.