PeckhamRose

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think PSCOs are a good way to go, they're not > going to throw her in a cell, they'll get her the > help she needs if indeed she needs it. If she is > just taking the p!ss them she'll know they're on > to her. Will they fine her for begging with all the money she got given?

Just browsing through Southwark and Peckham's website, can anyone truly tell me any major idea or plan that an ordinary member of the public had, who put it up for consideration and then which was adopted? Seems to me Southwark and all councils/governments start a plan, then ask us our opinions to make them look good and open, when already the plans are taking shape and they already know what they will be doing. Peckham Area Action Plan for starters. I know I am being cynical, but it's borne from experience of living in this council for so long.

Just go to Greenwich Market or Borough Market. Wear armour. It's tough out there.

You BUY pastry?

Done.

Our day in Paris, by Peckham Rose For his Birthday, I always tell MrR to keep the day free and then a surprise day is had. This year was the day in Paris but I could not find his passport! So had to tell him the night before. This proved to be necessary for another reason, because as he is a photographer he had to choose which camera to take amongst his million of cameras. Studied all of your suggestions for lunch, taking into account we had about 5 1/2 hours in Paris. Tuesdays Georges at Pompidou Centre shuts - that would have been first choice. So I decided to go for TJ's suggestion. Arrived at Gard du Nord, took a taxi to Vielle du Temple. Taxi stopped us outside Gamin de Paris. Gamin de Paris was shut. D'Oh! Found another lovely place nearby. Bottle of champagne with lunch - what the hell. The nearby photography museum shuts Tuesdays. D'Oh! Walked to Notre Dame and along the river, then got a taxi to Sacre Couer and wandered around Montmartre, had a coffee, walked to Gard du Nord, and came home! Thanks everyone for your suggestions! We had a lovely day. LOVE this forum! (Edited for spelling and other nonsense.)

I think the whole world should speak one language and have one currency but then I live on another plane(t).

As mentioned elsewhere I have said no to this plan - even with the pretty pictures of sunny cyclists cycling down a flower lined path - because it will send a message to the bad car drivers bombing down Peckham Rye that it is safe to continue driving badly now the council have taken out one of the dangers. If the cyclists get their own path maybe we motorcyclists and bus drivers shall get together and demand a bus lane we can share! Knock down one pavement and tell all the pedestrians to only walk down one side. That should do it... The park is a park and should only be a park. If there are bad drivers then deal with bad drivers and don't punish the majority of good car drivers.

Road bumps cause accidents too - or rather the idiot car drivers who they are aimed at - because the car drivers will swerve to avoid them and not bother to realise they are aiming straight for another car/bike/cyclist. When first road bumps were placed in roads, Southwark was amongst many councils who said they will never be placed in bus routes. Really, they did say that. They had their very good reasons for that. Those reasons have now disappeared so Southwark KNOW they are causing problems but still putting them in. It's about safety and you can not legislate against stupid people who drive dangerously. Drivers/riders are taught to plan ahead when learning to ride, to see the obstacle ahead and drive accordingly. Off topic a bit - I just argued against the cycle lane in Peckham Rye Park East because it will give bad car drivers the go ahead to carry on driving badly since the nice council got rid of the pesky cyclists that keep slowing them down! It's not about traffic angering measures road humps chicanes bumps humps and tables - it should be about concentrating on the minority who drive dangerously who you can not legislate against. I object strongly to having to pay for the dangerous and stupid actions of a few. And so say all of us!

Traffic lights not working - so traffic progressing beautifully and safely this morning.

Pass us a spade, AfN.

I shall be away that day (day in Paris, remember? You've all suggested where I take MrRose for lunch - do keep up), but I shall look to this very thread for informed opinion and factual updates. None of yer rascally supposition and biased opinions, mind! I am with BoosBoss - a cycle lane in the park is wrong, morally. And if people say that we need it to protect school kids from bad drivers, well that lets the bad drivers off the hook once more! Kids can cycle through and down the park and on the pavement if they're taught to be polite and cycle safely and slowly. Yeah, that should do it.

I got SO MUCH WORK DONE. Phew - so glad we're back.

Ta!

BoosBoss for giving up smoking. :D

"Aren't motorbikes quite dangerous, though?" asks Moos. Well, no. Mine sits there. Utterly quiet. Not moving anything. Waiting. Calm. Gleaming (thanks to Marmora Man's son) and gorgeous. Then I get on it and press the switch. Today I saved someone's life. I do it most days. My skill - learned over years - means that today I was able to anticipate the possibility that that idiot on the pavement listening on her iPod and talking in her phone was going to walk into the road any .. .. .. second .. .. .. NOW and I hoot the horn loudly just as she does so, at which point she turns and screams a hurl of abuse at me. I've just saved her life and you ask if motorbikes are dangerous! Many motorcycles are charged at a HIGHER tax rate than many cars (and that's a fact not heavily publicised when the chancellor tells us he's not going to increase car tax), yet we do more mph and many emit less nasty exhaust. My two certainly do. Yet I use less road space and also thus wear out less road space. Just a few facts for you to mull over. Motorcycles aren't dangerous. Idiots can be who drive them and idiot other road users and pedestrians can be dangerous. Old argument, worth repeating.

Hmm I have to get to St Pancras by 8.45am next Tuesday morning for (aforementioned on a previous thread) 9.40am Eurostar to Paris. Was thinking about getting the 63. Not a good idea now?

If I was boss there wouldn't BE any red lights to worry about!

And the point of this thread is??? Hahahahaahahaha

Done. I said it wasn't up to me to decide what the priorities are, it was up to them since they know what's going on more than I do, but that they should not just concentrate on easy targets but environmental and corporate crime more, too. And that they should tell government and politicians where to stick their targets. But that's me.

I too have been sent this questionnaire. I am going to encourage Southwark to be brave (so that will be a waste of time, then). Get rid of all superfluous road signs and traffic lights except pelican crossings as has successfully been done in Walworth Road. Allow bikes to share all bus lanes with cyclists as they do in Richmond, Bath, and various other towns round UK. Get rid of all speed humps and bumps. They encourage bad driving because drivers will swerve a lot, and not concentrate on planning ahead which is the correct and safer way as advised in Highway Code. Have longer free parking areas by parades of shops (ie Nunhead) with a limit for an hour. Get rid of confusing and petrol consuming one way systems (can waste petrol and road surfacing on badly signposted one way systems trying to get to or from an address! Not all SatNavs know the systems, either.) Stop trying to change nature - people walk in to the road without looking and always will. I am against a 20 mph limit in Southwark. I think it's stupid and will not work or solve anything. Any "limit" is going to anger people and make us out to be a police-borough (if not police state borough). If you make getting from A to B as easy as possible without unnecessary traffic lights and confusing road signs everywhere, people will be more relaxed. Now, where's that cuckoo.

185 goes through Camberwell and the Oval. OMG it might have been someone from those places! Dead happy for you this happened. Happened to me too - I came home from America having lost America dollar wallet (with my address in it) and came home to find someone had sent it back with dollar bills all in tact too. I was with MrRose so he had to pay the bills from there on in whilst we were there for another week. Dammit I now had no excuse but to pay him back!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, that cyclists know that when they come off in a smack they will get hurt. They "jump" red lights when they know they will be able to safely get across. They are seen to do so a lot which merely highlights what I honestly believe is the case that there are too many traffic lights in London. That is the issue, not the fact cyclists jump them. I am not a cyclist. PCSOs should concentrate their activities on street crime where they can. Littering and drug dealing and theft and kids bullying and dog fouling and stuff like that where people can be hurt and suffer.

Dammit, thought it was a muscular type picture coming up. Now I am blushing and feel foolish.

I am also Taurean and share all the characteristics. It is true I can be very persistant about matters of principle, but am lazy when it comes to exercise. So maybe that's what it meant. However, I remember a documentary about this and how it was such nonsense, proving it to be so. Down to earth, another good Taurean trait!