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ruffers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't the Motor Insurers Bureau look after > losses like this? > > http://www.mib.org.uk/Home/en/default.htm yep Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith Will sort it out for you. ;)

James have you got a position on this ? Air travel, and the aircraft noise that accompanies it, have become an integral part of modern life, but perceptions of aircraft noise vary greatly, mainly depending on where it is experienced. For most people, who do not live near to a major airport, air travel is exclusively defined in terms of the considerable economic or social benefits that it brings. On the other hand, for those who live near major airports, aircraft noise can be an imposition. The time has come to adopt a fresh approach, to restore trust and give people the confidence that their legitimate grievances are being addressed. We believe that the establishment of an independent aircraft noise ombudsman, set up at arm's length from government and the industry, could play a fundamental role in further establishing trust and confidence, thus bringing about a fair and reasonable balance between increasing demand for flights and noise control. Building on the common ground and goodwill built up among the interested parties, the ombudsman would collaborate with all of them to report on noise in an open, transparent and intelligible manner, and to deal with noise limitation problems fairly and sustainably. We therefore call on the government and politicians of all colours to work collaboratively with all stakeholders on designing, and thereafter the early establishment of, an independent aircraft noise ombudsman to further enhance and protect the welfare of people living near airports. Stephen Alambritis leader, Merton council David Amess MP Con, Southend West Tony Arbour AM Richmond, Kingston and Hounslow Jennette Arnold AM Hackney, Islington and Waltham Forest Bob Blackman MP Harrow East Mark Boleat chair, policy and resources committee, City of London Corporation David Brazier cabinet member for transport and environment, Kent county council Robert Buckland MP Con, South Swindon Sir Steve Bullock Mayor of Lewisham Muhammed Butt Leader, Brent council Jim Cunningham MP Lab, Coventry South Tom Copley AM London-wide Brenda Dean Lab, House of Lords Andrew Dismore AM, Barnet and Camden Jim Dobbin MP Lab, Heywood and Middleton Len Duvall AM leader of Labour group, Greenwich and Lewisham Roger Evans AM deputy chairman of the London Assembly, Havering and Redbridge Stephen Fry chief executive, Hounslow Chamber of Commerce Zac Goldsmith MP Con, Richmond Park Robert Gray director, Back Heathrow Rt Hon Sir Alan Haselhurst MP Con, Saffron Walden Gavin Hayes director, Let Britain Fly Dr Julian Huppert MP Lib Dem, Cambridge Darren Johnson AM chair of the London Assembly Jenny Jones AM leader, Green Group at the London Assembly Stephen Joseph chief executive, Campaign for Better Transport David Lammy MP Lab, Tottenham Mike Langan chair, Hillingdon Chamber of Commerce Lisa Lavia managing director, Noise Abatement Society Caroline Lucas MP Green, Brighton Pavilion Caroline Nokes MP Con, Romsey and Southampton North Steve O'Connell AM Croydon and Sutton Lib Peck leader, Lambeth council Roger Reed deputy leader, South Buckinghamshire district council Philippa Roe leader, Westminster city council Ben Rogers, director, Centre for London Andrew Rosindell MP Con, Romford Sir Bob Russell MP Lib Dem, Colchester Dr Onkar Sahota AM Ealing and Hillingdon Valerie Shawcross AM Lambeth and Southwark Henry Smith MP Con, Crawley Nicholas Soames MP Con, Mid Sussex John Stewart chair, Heathrow Association for the Control of Aircraft Noise Jeremy Taylor chief executive, Gatwick Diamond Business Baroness Valentine chief executive, London First Joan Walley MP Lab Stoke-on-Trent North Tim Yeo MP Con, South Suffolk Professor Xin Zhang professor of aircraft engineering, University of Southampton

WOW what a quite day today was. Tomorrow expecting to be back on the set of Pearl Harbour from 4.30 am ..

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Silly and a tad unhinged. This explains the > oversensitivity to noise. No it's the noise which has created the oversensitivity! KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > wow dude lay off the moron stuff it makes you come > across real silly. I overslept. Again. The lack of noise allowed you to sleep in? ruffers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is up there with the cycling threads. Blimey anorak time.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > he got the spelling of moron wrong in the first > line too Oh I didn't realise this was a spelling and grammar forum .... Thought it was the local East Dulwich discussion forum. hold on you're trying to show another example of what it is to be a moron aren't you. I get it ... that's it . you and troll show you're a moronic troll at the same time. Ah Very good almost caught me out there. You're a proper Moron. ----------------- It's so lovely this morning no Fooking noise from those Ba?tard Aircraft going into Thiefrow. It's the way it used to be I can look out of my windows whilst working and no aircraft bearing down on me no noise. Unfortunately as soon as the wind turns it'll be the same old S?it. -----------------------

UncleBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's yet another parking space gone. ? LOL WTF I think you'll find it's 1 more parking space created "for the home owner".

This morning. Heathrow on easterly landing operations nice and quiet. Morons Here's an example... Normal person: "I've got a pounding headache" Moron: "no you haven't" Normal person: "yes I have it's really bad constant pounding" Moron: "no you're imagining it you're fine" Normal person: "no I've had a headache before and I tool pain killers and it went away" Moron: "you should take pain killers all the time that way you'll never have a headache" Normal person: "you're a moron"

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Have you considered anger management? A lot of > things have changed in the last 40 years funnily > enough. Some good, some bad. > > Where would you have the planes fly? I know you've > said the thames, but the thames not being > particularly wide, I imagine that would then > disturb other people. Perhaps they feel that after > 40 years it's about time you had a turn. More moronic nesssss Moronic .... laughable idiotic definitely. So it's my turn now ? I bought in a quiet area but nooooooooooooo I now deserve from one year to the next to be blighted by aircraft noise? You know before I was woken up at 4.30am every morning I had no anger I was pretty relaxed! Those people who lived along the Thames under the flight path knew what they had they always had the noise they bought in the knowledge it was part of their lives if they didn't want it they would never have bought there. What we now have in East Dulwich and Brockley etc is a motorway in the sky above our heads. A new motorway for aircraft making more noise than car or lorries. A motorway which wakes you up at 4.30am with a noise that's akin to being inside a blast furnace only with added screech.... If they were planning a motorway at the end of your road you'd be happy with that would you??? Morons everywhere adopting the ostrich position.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think the problem is some posters calling anyone > that disagrees with them a moron. ^ moronic. So morons who think moving to the country side after 40 years of peace. because Heathrow have decided to move the flight path over their homes is a really good idea..... FFS IF that isn't moronic WTF is ?

george74 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We live in one of the busiest cities in the world, > and yet we are complaining about a few flights?? > How else are people supposed to travel here? I > suggest moving to the country would solve any > issues with noise. Moronic poster.... If you can' be bothered to read the thread ???? Obviously if you buy in an area which has always been on the flight path then sure. But please don't be a moron. It's not a few flights. It's one every couple of minutes. Starting at 4.30 am. Parts of East Dulwich Dulwich Village Forest Hill Brockley Honor Oak in SE London have never experienced the noise it's recent and it's getting worst. Historically you could walk in Dulwich Park or on Peckham Rye and there was no aircraft noise NOW it's constant. Do you honestly think people in Brockley are having meetings with Heathrow for the fun of it ? NO it's because the situation has changed and changed dramatically.

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The ?facts? (that recorded flights have not got > very much more frequent) suggest that the > perception that some have that they have done so, > suggests that it is as much ?in the eye of the > beholder? as a matter of observable evidence. Maybe there is no increase in flights. Only an increase in flights further south over ED. > > I (and I suspect many of those taking the same > position as I do) do not believe that those > ?suffering? are either inventing or exaggerating > their levels of anxiety about the noise. For you > the problem is entirely real. Yep it?s 100 % real I?ve live here for over 40 years and it?s never been like this. > > What we are saying, however, is that it may be > more effective to adjust your own perceptions than > to think you will be able to get all night flights > banned from Heathrow or Gatwick (which would be > your only reasonable end-game ? to get them Gatwick flights do not go over ED London City Airport flights only go over ED when the wind is Easterly. > diverted to fly elsewhere than over ED is to > selfishly try to shift your problem to someone > else?s shoulders). I think that if night flights The people who have had the flight for the last 40 years no longer have them WE have them NOW ! I moved here when there was no aircraft noise NOW for the last 18-24 months I find myself on the flight path HOW WHY ???? > were banned you would then start to find day-time > flights intolerable also. You live in a major > economic global hub city ? with all the benefits > that brings as regards job prospects, quality of > cultural life etc. etc. It requires travellers > (business and pleasure) to operate successfully. > With that benefit may come penalties. In ED we lived in peace why are we suddenly along with the residents of BROCKLEY now suffering? > > There are numbers of effective strategies (CBT, > Mindfulness etc.) which would help you in > adjusting ? as those of us without your problems > have - to the annoyance of the noise. Sometimes it > is possible to change the world, sometimes it may > be more realistic to change yourself. The FIX is to deal with the cause NOT the impact ? Only a Moron would deal with the impact before dealing with the cause. Heathrow Air Traffic Control should put the flight path back over the Thames where is has been since the 1970?s until 2012...

StraferJack The people who are annoyed probably don't frequent this forum. This forum contain a wafer thin selection of East Dulwich inhabitants who have time on their hands to write posts and chat about local issues 99% of ED residents don't. Many people "not on this forum" who you ask say they have noticed an increase in aircraft noise. I believe the increase has been dramatic over the last 18 months and has impacted the southern edge of ED and Dulwich Village where it was previously not an issue. I accept you haven't seen any noticeable difference and you're not bothered by aircraft noise. WHY do YOU fail to accept I have see a dramatic change and I am very bothered by the aircraft noise? Is it because you are afraid of something? Is I because you don't care about other peoples problems? Is it because you only care about yourself? I really really really do not understand your viewpoint on this. "on this forum for 7 years now. Approx 15000 posts from " and you haven't learn't to stop being a C$NT ?

Bingo? Bizarre. Totally bizarre. Why would someone who doesn't have a problem with aircraft noise insult someone who does? Completely bizarre. Today Sunday after yesterdays lovely quite morning/day. I was woken at 4.35am by the usual rumble and scream. Anyone trying to enjoy todays heatwave expect the intrusion of jet aircraft whilst on the Rye or in the Park. Compared with yesterdays lovely quite. Those of us who aren't deaf will definitely notice the noise.

Amazing No Aircraft noise this morning. Flights all landing on Easterly Winds. It's the way it was when the Westerly flight path followed the Thames the way it used to be all the time !

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Black cab drivers earn ?100k a year? mmmmmm > > > That's before tips Quids B) I stopped tipping london blackcab drivers in the 90's when I discovered they were earning a lot more than I was.

binary_star Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How does the bedroom tax work in principle? If I > was renting a 2 bed in the private sector and my > landlord said "Your rent's going to go up, unless > you want to move to one of my one bed flats", > depending on whether or not I could afford it I > might choose to lose the spare room. > > But I didn't think the council had many one beds > to actually house people in? How are they coping > with the amount of tenants who can't > justify/afford the extra room and would prefer to > downsize? If they stay in their 2 bed flat they pay ?14 a week. = ?728 a year more In the private rental market a 2 bed flat is on average between 20% and 50% more. London rents that's ?24 to ?140 a week more or between ?1,248 and ?7,280 a year more. obviously there are much higher rentals these are within the cheaper range. There appears to be a shortage of 1 bed flats. Would the council tenant be allowed to rent out the 2nd room ? That would be worth ?50 to ?200+ a week depending on location ?

James FYI Getting the measure of aircraft noise (This email received by Wandworth Council today. They are taking action against Heathrow expansion) ?Yesterday Wandsworth Council and the all-party 2M Group launched an independent noise report in the House of Commons which challenges the way Sir Howard Davies and his Airports Commission are measuring the impact of aircraft noise. ?The 'ANASE update study' highlights the inadequacy of the existing 57 decibel noise benchmark which the Commission is using as the basis for recommending additional runway capacity. ?According to this benchmark Putney, Wandsworth Town and Battersea are not affected by noise from aircraft. We all know this is complete fantasy We first submitted the updated ANASE study to Davies In September 2013. We have also highlighted the volume of noise complaints from residents in Wandsworth and other places outside of the 57 decibel area. ?The Commission has not engaged with us over this crucial evidence. As a result it is able to propose more night flights over Wandsworth as well as shortlist Heathrow as a potential site for a new runway. ?Our launch of the ANASE report at the Commons will make it harder for Davies to ignore its findings. ?We now need residents to join our campaign for a fair deal on noise. You can write to Davies, write to the Transport Secretary, come to our public meetings and ask your neighbours to do the same. ?It was public pressure that forced the abandonment of previous runway plans in 2010. Send your first email today and we can win this battle again.? Ravi Govindia, Leader of Wandsworth Council

Yes here a letter from the leader of Wandsworth Council Getting the measure of aircraft noise (This email received by Wandworth Council today. They are taking action against Heathrow expansion) ?Yesterday Wandsworth Council and the all-party 2M Group launched an independent noise report in the House of Commons which challenges the way Sir Howard Davies and his Airports Commission are measuring the impact of aircraft noise. ?The 'ANASE update study' highlights the inadequacy of the existing 57 decibel noise benchmark which the Commission is using as the basis for recommending additional runway capacity. ?According to this benchmark Putney, Wandsworth Town and Battersea are not affected by noise from aircraft. We all know this is complete fantasy We first submitted the updated ANASE study to Davies In September 2013. We have also highlighted the volume of noise complaints from residents in Wandsworth and other places outside of the 57 decibel area. ?The Commission has not engaged with us over this crucial evidence. As a result it is able to propose more night flights over Wandsworth as well as shortlist Heathrow as a potential site for a new runway. ?Our launch of the ANASE report at the Commons will make it harder for Davies to ignore its findings. ?We now need residents to join our campaign for a fair deal on noise. You can write to Davies, write to the Transport Secretary, come to our public meetings and ask your neighbours to do the same. ?It was public pressure that forced the abandonment of previous runway plans in 2010. Send your first email today and we can win this battle again.? Ravi Govindia, Leader of Wandsworth Council

PokerTime I though the bedroom tax had been adjusted to take into account disabled room use? If anyone can come up with a better solution for Ie a 3 bed council houses being occupied by one person of an elderly married couple; I'd like to hear it especially when it's out hard earned tax which is paying for it. Common sense if bedrooms going unused in the social sector something must be done to change that, we do have a housing shortage and these social tenants appear to be part of the problem. The private sector is a more efficient use of housing stock and also better for the environment on a sq ft occupancy energy usage. I'm all for social housing but it is due a long overdue overhaul. Too many ?100,000 a year black cab drivers still living in council housing on cheap rents the current system isn't fit for purpose.

White Elephant.

fabfor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The child needs to sleep, fazer, much more so than > you and me. > > This is why I think this fight is important. If > it's lost there will be no going back and our > grand/kids should rightly curse us for being so > short-sighted and apathetic. Stress is an > insidious thing; not being consciously aware of > something does not mean it's not stressing us out, > especially at critical times in the sleep cycle. I totally agree with you. The time has come to build a new airport which doesn't result in aircraft flying over millions of people causing constant stress and disturbance, afaik Heathrow is unique in the developed world no other major city has aircraft flying over densely populate cities. The rouble we have is persuading a lot of add people who THINK we are nutters but they are normal !/

Expecting someone to recommend surgery to make one deaf, a guaranteed permanent solution. Looking through the thread nothing would surprise me.

I see this thread has become pi$$ taker central. Really very odd.

chattyman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is anybody else getting rather irate when leaving > the station in the evening and having to battle > through loads of unsupervised children with > scooters and footballs? I don't use PR but if I was experiencing that I would also be pretty annoyed. Plenty of other places to play and a no ball games policy where people are traversing would be sensible. I has every sympathy with you especially if this hasn't been the case previously. Question is what can be done about it? Maybe contact complain to the council or the local MP, they have the power to make it a no ball game area if they believe it's needed. Really quite bizarre how others can't empathise with you. I totally understand how after a hideous commute someone faced with a chicane dodging ball dodging and kid dodging would be totally peed off.

Ah the old deal with the effects rather than the cause ... FFS you Could also build a sound proof room with no windows and with air conditioning. Or excavate a basement room similarly sound proofed and sleep everyone underground. Definitely good options if you insist on living in East Dulwich. Some other options. 4 layer sound proof glass Soundproofed loft space Soundproofed internal walls Sound deflectors hanging from the outside of the property Plant dense trees leylandii would be ideal planted in the front and rear garden as many as possible 600 mm apart and allow them to grow higher than the property A sound bubble covering sleeping area Other options anyone ?