I think you should check back a few pages on here Atila where there was a lengthy discussion about club v country. Apart from myself, as I made clear in my post, and Keef the majority of people who post regularly on this thread were of the same opinion, club before country. In fact I was quite shocked at the amount who said they's rather have club success than success for their national side. As far as ronaldo goes, I got into a lot of trouble on here saying taht I thought he was an ungrateful little scrote for talking about wanting out last season. My opinons of him haven't changed and I believe he will leave at the end of this season but he is also a match winner, flawed, but a match winner none the less and I defy anyone on here to not want a player of his calibre in their team (cue lots of BS about how 'my team wouldn't put up with his shenanigans' and 'my team are above all that' blah, blah, blah.) Rooney and Ronaldo are good mates off the field, they have put the England sending off behind them and I'm afraid Ronaldo played 'the game' he knew how to pull Rooney's stings and Rooney was a fool for falling for it. I'm afraid you've said very little about the actual game last night Atila. It seems to me that your side were outplayed, fair and square - no dodgy free kicks/penalties/sendings off - and that the only thing you've got to say is about the fans. The better side won and to be honest you weren't in i for most of the first half and you haven't been in the championship race for most of the season...in fact you are lucky that you've had a minor run of form and Villa have slipped up otherwise Arsenal (see how I resist caling your team by some childish name?) would be playing in the UEFA cup next season and who knows? I've just been re-reading about Leeds fall from grace.....:))