KidKruger

Loz, I like that. A lot !!

You can't polish a turd.

weird one

we're lucky to have the market, it has some good stuff, if you don't want it dont buy it. dunno where Paul the CD seller is these days though, my fave stall, hard not to pick up some sounds as he has good selection.

Girl From The North Country - Bob Dylan

I don't understand why women want to be equal when they could be better. That shows a lack of ambition to me. Which is why men are better.

Sports Mixtures (Lions). Sticks of hard liquorice. Dark chocolate buttons from Montezuma. Mintola. Liquorice allsorts.

Sat and chatted to Danny La Rue on IOW hovercraft while he sat on the crew bench at the front - I was the safety crewman on that service when a teenager. Chatted with Dizzy Gillespie about horns in Jazz when he stayed at Mayfair hotel when I was a cleaner. Spoke with Tommy Tomlinson when he stayed at Mayfair hotel when I was a cleaner. Asked Alan Wicker to help me get into film/media when he stayed at Mayfair hotel when I was a cleaner who'd just finished apprenticeship as commercial photographer. Asked Stevie Wonder if his huge penthouse mirrors were OK after cleaning them as he stayed in Mayfair hotel when I was a teenager. He said "Man they're fine", he was OK about it because we'd be cracking jokes the whole time I cleaned his place. Put on some bands the last 3 years including Little Barrie and Thunderclap Newman, was great talking to Andy Newman those few weeks. Used to share a flat in Chelsea and this big guy used to come round and cook, we had him for lunch one Xmas day, he was always cracking jokes and causing chaos in bars when we went out, then I saw him on telly years later as a chef, Ainsley Harriot. Have met and now know Doc Watson, pretty much the lead old-time music player, aged 84.

Street Life - Roxy Music

She's So Dirty - Squeeze

Take Me I'm Yours - Squeeze

25% - UB40

Seven Curses - Bob Dylan

Diamond Joe - Bob Dylan / Cisco Houston / Ramblin' Jack Elliot

curved

Fire Department Blues - Sleep John Estes

and grease on it's chin-oh.. ...love the version by Estil Ball.

DJK the aggressive tone I was referring to your use of was merely because of your strong comments which seemed to ignore what I had said and instead told me who/what I 'really' am. I thought you were aggressive because you were telling me: I'm "totally hypocritical" (perhaps not totally, give me break !) I'm "frowning upon women's empowerment" (that's unfair) I "can't handle a bit of female flesh showing" (I already said there's plenty cleavage in the office to 'handle') That I think women "should dress like a nun" (a plain lie) I'm "confusing sex with dress code" and some how equating this to "bullshit behaviour of lawyers in rape trials" (pretty offensive) I'm "saying that because a woman has cleavage and wears a low cut top she's asking for sex..." (that's unfair too !) I "think a low cut top unacceptable because you associate it with sex and the sex industry." (startling conclusion to jump to) I am 'embellishing' the truth with my own bias. (you could assume that I guess if you wanted to) I cannot debate because I object to the points being made by you. (i don't think debate needs to include accusations above, anyway I'm still here). That "What you are really saying is..", Nope - my comments themselves are what I am 'actually' saying, your interpretation above is NOT what I am 'really' saying. You make a lot of negative comments to me, not specifically about the subject at hand and the details of it, but trying to attack my motive and character. I can handle aggression, but if I choose to, and I was simply pointing out that the nature of comments like those above wasn't necessary to get your point across, obviously that's based on the assumption that, if you chose to, you could engage more politely. But I appreciate your comment about it being a public forum and this is part of it, like you say - hearing all the above from you is "YOUR problem.....not mine". I did not mean by referring to what I percieve as your aggression to be an attack on you, and I'm really sorry if it appeared that way.

Brendan - word.

DJK - I am exchanging with you so I don't think my ability to debate is in question all I am saying is you don't have to be aggressive. You have been fairly aggressive but I dpn't think you can demonstrate my 'not being able to debate' as a result, I am just saying you don't have to accuse and attack that's all. It's not 'another way of saying' anything, that's just the mechanism you have used to extract the meaning you want to, then attack, you don't need to do that. stil not sure where nuns came into it but I guess that's just the way you extrapolate when 'challenging someones views'... Challenges are fine but you seem to be taking something personally yet I have not directed anything at you personally. Yes a bra is involved. Strangely several people don't see that fact as a mitigating factor. My comment about sex industry is that I do not know where else you could see as much breast than that sector (or a beach, obviously).

Brendan NO, I'm not against jubblies ! well not at this present moment, hopefully I will find myself exactly in that position, towards the weekend.... ;)

I think Odyssey has raised a fair point. It's pertinent to my workplace. Seeing a bit of cleavage is common place in work. Including mine. Seeing so much breast that you can see the flesh underneath the front of the bra itself (plus everything that as a consequence will spill out also) is perhaps not best suited to a business environment. You have to bear in mind that this has been mentioned independently by several people, both male and female, so you can say they are all wrong but the fact is they feel uncomfortable seeing so much of a woman's breats exposed in an office environment. The comments have been collated and the senior is extremely anxious about how to approach this. DJK - you seem to have an attacking style in basic discussion, who mentioned nuns, I won't be exchanging if you're going to try and just score points. Take all the points you can have them now, i don't want any points, they are all yours, help yourself ! "confusing sex with dress code" no i don't think so - I was using your comment about if something is commonplace outside of work then what is the problem inside work, so, I indicated other (in my intention, seperate) examples of behaviours which are common and 'acceptable' outside work and questioned why THOSE behaviours are not acceptable because based on your justification they should be acceptable too. legal - "Or is it simply that you feel the clothing is, itself, inappropriate?" I have been approached by the senior and asked for my views. IMO it's a bit over the top for a non-sex industry environment.

DJK - I think that depends on whether you spend your time in bars and out in the park etc hunting for views of womens tits or tittilating yourslef over tabloids. if so, fair comment, for YOU. You're pasting a lot of people with your brush there. There's no ONE answer. But moderation in the workplace is not unreasonable. Swearing occurs all the time in films and in papers but we don't think that shold be in workplace. Sex is on every programme on TV, OK for workplace too ??

it's pretty blunt when they are sat onthe table of the meeting room and we're trying to run the business. and no it's not a lap-dancing bar. though you could be mistaken for thinking so. apols for bluntness !! It just has to be painted the colour it is.

might as well