thanks for the attachment regarding the dropped kerbs H bars James. The document explains that H bars are sometimes installed, and now they are regarded as street clutter so they are not going to do that anymore - but it says they might introduce yellow lines instead. I feel that random extended bars of double yellow lines dotted about the place seriously increase street clutter. Rather bizarrely, I find white lines more benign than yellows? Most people regard street clutter as excessive signage - usually at head height that may or may not convey useful information - or actually hinder the provision of said information. I love the way there is no discussion as to why this has been discussed, the pros and cons of them and how this might ultimately impact an area. quite brilliant.