Benchley gardens hit and run

[timwed]

Anyone know of a supposed hit and run that happened in Benchley gardens earlier this evening?

[Loopylil]

I understand that some youths were arguing about a car and two were killed; I don't know whether by bullet or knife.

[timwed]

So it wasn't a hit and run by the sounds of it.. That's awful

[Louisa]

Where's Benchley gardens?

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

South of Peckham rye near camberwell new cemetary

[jctg]

It's Brenchley Gardens.

I would imagine if two people have been killed we will be hearing about it in due course...

[timwed]

My mistake in the header, I meant brenchley gardens.. Area was cordoned off earlier as I was driving from forest hill road downwards

My local corner shop owner said it was a hit and run and two had sadly been killed

So sad and shocking at the same time

[EDOliver]

Went down there earlier and no police tape etc. aren't roads normally cordened off for ages for these thing???

[jctg]

EDOliver Wrote:

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> Went down there earlier and no police tape etc.

> aren't roads normally cordened off for ages for

> these thing???

Yes.

[PokerTime]

The only mention on twitter is for a bus diversion due to a road traffic collision. I suspect that's all it was. If anyone had died there would be something on twitter...there always is.

[timwed]

When I turned off earlier there was lots of police and vehicles etc.. Looked like a major incident to me

[jctg]

Where the f--- do people get their information from?!?

[Penguin68]

I'm afraid from fora like this.

[jctg]

Who told the person above "that some youths were arguing about a car and two were killed"?!?

[Loopylil]

I said that there was an argument about a car. My neighbour got caught up in it and that is what she was told. Her friend, who lives opposite the site saw the bodies. If I was wrong I apologise. Maybe we should ALL wait until we know what really happened.

[Pickle]

I ran along there earlier today and there was no sign of anything really terrible having happened - nothing mentioned in the news, so hopefully it wasn't as bad as first reported here.

[Renata Hamvas]

It was an accident. At 3.15pm, a lady in her 80s was crossing the road near the cemetery and stepped out in front of a car. The car braked but was unable to stop in time and sadly the elderly lady suffered serious injuries. Brenchley Gardens was temporary closed and the P12s were on diversion down Athenlay Road. I hope that the lady makes a good and speedy recover and am thinking of her friends and family at this time.

Renata

[mynamehere]

a car going 20mph should have been able to stop. I also hope she recovers and I hope the speed the car was going is examined

[Penguin68]

Renata

Thanks for the (informed) update on this - valuable to squash rumour with fact. I am sure I will not be the only reader to join with you in wishing the old lady a speedy and full recovery.

[Penguin68]

a car going 20mph should have been able to stop.

That very much depends on how close she was to the car when she stepped out (assuming that's what happened). If the car was doing 20mph or less the impact effects will have been much reduced - this is the key benefit from imposing reduced speed limits, not a reduction in stopping times. Assuming the car was driving at 20mph but the driver in braking still hit her, the impact will have been additionally reduced by the reduced speed through braking.

The key victims of car: pedstrian accidents on local roads (where the car is being responsibly driven and the driver is not impaired) tend to be the infirm, elderly or poorly sighted moving into the road unaware of the traffic, or children (ditto). The design of modern cars (making them much quieter if not (hybrid or electric) silent) makes pedestrian care even more important - you don't any longer always 'hear it coming' - so the old Green Cross code which suggested you look and listen is no longer as helpful.

[The Minkey]

A fierce argument took place at the junction of Athenlay and Kelvington Road that same afternoon. Two guys shouting the odds out on the street. A grey car then pulled up outside No 40 with such force, it ruptured the front tyre hitting the pavement. The driver got out and joined in. As the sound of sirens approached, the driver and one of the guys involved in the argument jumped back into the car and attempted to speed off down Kelvington with its tyre flapping. The other guy they'd been arguing with went back into the house. The police car shot down Athenlay. Could that incident have been connected with the OP?

[Renata Hamvas]

Hi The Minkey, I don't believe so. If it was around 3.15-30 on Monday, the sirens/ police car may have on their way to Brenchley Gardens.

Renata

[PokerTime]

Thank you for posting the details Renata (and maybe people will think before posting gossip next time?).

I, like everyone else, hope the elderly lady makes a full recovery, and wish her and her family well.

PS...mynamehere....a collision with an 80 year old at any speed is going to cause serious injuries. At that age, bodies are more fragile, especially if there are underlying conditions. I don't thinks it's helpful to automatically assume the car must have been going faster. I'm sure the driver is shocked too. I think most people would be very upset to collide with a pedestrian, even when it is not they who are at fault. Let's leave it to the Police to do their job. There's really no need to analyse what if's here.

[fizzmoll]

20 mph is around 9 meters per second. A reaction time of 0.5 seconds is often quoted as an "average" time for a normal driver. According to google, once you slam the breaks, a typical breaking distance before you reach a standstill is about 6 meters for 20mph. So from the moment that the driver spots the person until having reached a complete stop is 4.5 + 6 =~ 10m, not an inconsiderable distance!

[balanceforlife]

Cars speed along this road all the time and ignore the 20mph limit and many brake very harshly just before the speed camera as they don't expect it to be there. I get quite nervous cycling along this road due to the speed of other drivers. I've always felt it was only going to be a matter of time before there was some sort of accident on this stretch.