ED Deli closing

[Millhaven]

Ani Wrote:

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> I thought Jay the Manager was brilliant. He knew

> his stuff, and was very helpful and had a great

> sense of humour . I also think Tony the owner is

> a great chap.

> I was there when it first opened and think it's a

> huge shame that it's closed.

> I wish Jay and Tony all the best for the future.

Concurred. Never once experienced the rudeness that others claim to have had. Maybe I look posher than I have hitherto thought.

[edcam]

The queuing system never worked and that one guy who worked in there was charmless and constantly miserable. Otherwise the service was fine. The sausage rolls were unbeatable though.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

I too loved the lasagne and salads, but the expense meant it was a very occasional treat. Never had a problem with the staff - always found them most obliging.

The shop over the road, however, is fantastic - I buy something in there most days and the chaps are really lovely.

[Ukla]

Well I think it is a real shame as the cheeses in there were amazing. Just hope it is not another franchise.

[jennyb123]

It was a real gastronomic treasure trove in its day, so sad they couldn't keep going.

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Blackbird as an alternative source of delicious bread, quiche, sausage rolls etc. Not a full deli but they are good at what they do. Also the unpreposessing but superb samosas from the cheese shop!

[cle]

Annasfield Wrote:

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> The Greek/Turkish supermarket is superb. I buy

> nearly everything I can from there. Excellent

> value and supporting a local business. Win win.

>

> It's a shame about the deli as it's never nice to

> see a local business disappear. It was stupidly

> expensive though

The meat is better in Flock & Herd, and the guys there are lovely.

[edcam]

cle Wrote:

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> Annasfield Wrote:

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> > The Greek/Turkish supermarket is superb. I buy

> > nearly everything I can from there. Excellent

> > value and supporting a local business. Win win.

>

> >

> > It's a shame about the deli as it's never nice

> to

> > see a local business disappear. It was stupidly

> > expensive though

>

>

> The meat is better in Flock & Herd, and the guys

> there are lovely.

What does this have to do with the ED Deli or the Turkish shop? Neither are/were butchers. It's like saying Lordship Lane Carpets are better for rugs.

[Otta]

worldwiser Wrote:

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> Wow, it was really a model of franchising. The

> staff were equally rude there according to

> reviews.. remarkable carbon copy.

Maybe they're aiming for the Wong Kei effect, where people actually start going there just to be abused by the staff because it's an attraction.

[worldwiser]

'in excess of' ?45k per year rent + ?11k rates and only a short lease on offer until Oct 2016. Who on earth is going to invest in starting or relocating a business on those terms? I predict the ex-EDD will be empty for quite a time.

[Millhaven]

Unbelieveable. Agree it is hard to imagine anyone wanting to pay that kind of green to locate there.

[LondonMix]

Strange they are only offering a short lease...

[jimbo1964]

Ridiculous.. That means you have to take ?4.5k a month before you even start.

[the-e-dealer]

The News was better at Barry Road newsagents - Mr Patel.

[Seabag]

edcam Wrote:

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> The queuing system never worked and that one guy

> who worked in there was charmless and constantly

> miserable. Otherwise the service was fine. The

> sausage rolls were unbeatable though.

I thought that too. But having to work for Tony Z was quite the soul destroying experience. To be honest, I cant believe he managed that shop for so long, without throwing a quiche into the face of some customers

I'm not sad to see it/Tony Z go

[LondonMix]

Not really-- it means you need to have the capital reserves to pay your rent, buy your stock, pay your employees etc until your business plan shows you generate enough revenue to be self-sustaining.

This is always the case regardless of the rent- just part of starting a business. Have no idea how this compares with the rent for other shops but this shop is quite large so on psm basis might be in line. Anyone have any idea?

jimbo1964 Wrote:

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> Ridiculous.. That means you have to take ?4.5k a

> month before you even start.

[stingray]

Would say this is very in line. Without knowing how much extra space there is out back or underneath would say cheap if anything. This could even be just for one side!

[LondonMix]

The owner must have specific plans with someone else to only offer a two year lease. I wonder who will occupy it from 2016 onwards? Must be something that will involve change of use, complicated planning issues otherwise there wouldn't need to be such a significant gap.

[KalamityKel]

I think offering short leases is the norm these days. Gives flexibility to all those concerned by not committing for too long a period.

[StraferJack]

"Gives flexibility to all those concerned "

god I hate that word - flexibility

It might be true in some cases - but not everyone wants flexibility. Some people need security so they can (personal level) plan a family for example or business level (plan a business)

What these short term leases are for, if the hope of the landlord that a national chain will show up. They see that as more money and more security

So as a local business, your business-plan and capital reserve can be swallowed up only to be evicted

Not much flexibility in that

[worldwiser]

http://www.ormeretail.co.uk/download/?file=workspace/uploads/property_pdf/15:17-lordship-lane.pdf

[Jeremy]

KalamityKel Wrote:

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> I think offering short leases is the norm these

> days. Gives flexibility to all those concerned by

> not committing for too long a period.

Yeah but surely it costs a fortune to fit out a shop? Even more so for a bar or restaurant. You need some guarantee that you'll be given a fair crack at making a return from that initial investment.

[KalamityKel]

Hey I never said I was in favour of such "flexibility". It's simply how things are. I see it regularly in other areas where a business will move in to a property, completely gutting/refurbing a place, only be there a couple of months, move on and the whole thing starts again for the next occupier.

Expensive waste.

[LondonMix]

Short leases in retail are not the norm. 10 to 25 years is still standard in London. Rent reviews occur at fixed intervals but neither the tenant nor the landlord have a break option within the fixed term typically.

When businesses set up and then move out quickly its not because their lease has ended, its because they've gone bust. Some, find someone else to take over their lease through an assignment which is also very common.

[KalamityKel]

maybe not the "norm" but certainly the "trend"

can't agree with you on "move out quickly its not because their lease has ended, its because they've gone bust" - simply not true in the instances I've seen. The businesses in question are very much still alive and kicking.

[LadyDeliah]

The thing re break clauses, our new office will be a 10 year lease with 2 break clauses within that time. Most long term leases have at least 1 break clause at a set interval.