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messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by Ruskin March 30, 07:11PM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> That's the exact same reason I may spit, Twoddle.
> Bad smells or fumes one may encounter, such as
> accidentally getting a mouthful of acrid stench
> when stuck behind a smoker. We're not obliged to
> swallow that junk, so down on the pavement it goes
> (ideally in a drain or the gutter).

I've been concerned about smokers too. Has anyone read something about droplets from exhaled cigarette and vape smoke?

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by johnie March 30, 09:32PM

Ruskin Wrote:
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> KidKruger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's the exact same reason I may spit,
> Twoddle.
> > Bad smells or fumes one may encounter, such as
> > accidentally getting a mouthful of acrid stench
> > when stuck behind a smoker. We're not obliged
> to
> > swallow that junk, so down on the pavement it
> goes
> > (ideally in a drain or the gutter).
>
> I've been concerned about smokers too. Has anyone
> read something about droplets from exhaled
> cigarette and vape smoke?


I'm sure they have. Whether or not this will be absolute bollocks will be quite easy to work out. Because things are easy prey at the moment does not mean they are something to worry about. neither smokers nor vapours have been shown to spread disease. it is far more likely to be anyone doing normal things.

come on everyone, think.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by KidKruger March 30, 11:46PM

Personally I donít believe the stuff about the virus transmitting in smoke, it wasnít my point anyway - I was just talking about the stink and taste.

Ruskin Wrote:
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> KidKruger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's the exact same reason I may spit,
> Twoddle.
> > Bad smells or fumes one may encounter, such as
> > accidentally getting a mouthful of acrid stench
> > when stuck behind a smoker. We're not obliged
> to
> > swallow that junk, so down on the pavement it
> goes
> > (ideally in a drain or the gutter).
>
> I've been concerned about smokers too. Has anyone
> read something about droplets from exhaled
> cigarette and vape smoke?

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by peckman March 30, 11:54PM

There are wa(kers who run, cycle , walk and dog walk I'm afraid . Joggers seem to be a particular pest at the moment. Seen loads I sitisting on jogging on the pavement forcing parents with prams to go into the road. Ffs .. your PB round peckham rye park can wait until next year surely . There are some people that are and will always remain dickheads I'm afraid

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by KidKruger March 31, 02:15PM

Talking to my neighbours on CP Road, keeping our distance on opposite sides of pavement (I'm stood at kerb, neighbour behind front gate).
A couple, running, just jog through between us.
Gobsmacked wouldn't even start to explain my surprise !
WTF
If I see these guys tomorrow there'll be another thread.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by jimlad48 April 01, 12:57PM

I'm running at the moment and am whereever possible trying to get into the road when I see people ahead of me. When runners or pedestrians get to close, despite my efforts, I stick my arms out to build space to force them away from me. works a treat!

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by lindylou April 02, 01:44PM

To the filthy jogger who ran past me on Crystal Palace Road at 10.15 this morning, and gobbed on the pavement, I hope you're proud of yourself. Dispicable to be spitting in the street at this time. Wearing a black top and purple bottoms. I so wish I had time to take a photo of you. Moron.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by JohnL April 02, 04:27PM

jimlad48 Wrote:
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> I'm running at the moment and am whereever
> possible trying to get into the road when I see
> people ahead of me. When runners or pedestrians
> get to close, despite my efforts, I stick my arms
> out to build space to force them away from me.
> works a treat!

Some people (for various reasons hat may not be their fault) seem to have difficulty with judging distance and movement. The sort who bump into people walking along on a normal day.

When that happens when you drive you sort of give them a wide berth if you can.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by mako April 02, 09:53PM

Surely people can cut out jogging or cycling for a while so people dont die?

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by KidKruger April 02, 11:13PM

Yup, youíd think so.
Weakest link in the whole effort now.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by fayebarrett April 03, 09:47AM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> Talking to my neighbours on CP Road, keeping our
> distance on opposite sides of pavement (I'm stood
> at kerb, neighbour behind front gate).
> A couple, running, just jog through between us.
> Gobsmacked wouldn't even start to explain my
> surprise !
> WTF
> If I see these guys tomorrow there'll be another
> thread.

@kidkruger Can I ask where you thought they should go, given that you were taking up the whole pavement? Iíve been running several times a week, as I always have done. I try my absolute best to keep 2+ metre distance by going onto grass, into road, etc, but when youíre next to a busy road this is quite difficult. I have found that walkers seem to feel they have more claim to the pavement than joggers. We ALL need to keep a distance - itís not up to one group only. As a previous poster mentioned, it would be helpful if walkers/those on the pavement also made an effort to move also!

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by KidKruger April 03, 11:13AM

faye - your answer even explains what the problem is. The jogger determined not to stop, with an entitlement to keep up momentum.

The answer:
1. STOP ! And then negotiate if necessary to maintain distance.
2. GO AROUND ! On street if necessary, there was virtually no traffic - hence my amazement because the joggers had no excuse. "The roads are busy" ?? Of all times since the war that's a very badly timed comment !

Remember, I could have been stood ON the kerb - thereby keeping distance still from my neighbour, however you look at it, until the joggers breezed through we were people successfully keeping distance.

"I have found that walkers seem to feel they have more claim to the pavement than joggers" - based on what ?!
Actually, this is making me chuckle..
Everyone on here, is there really a debate to be had over whether pedestrians on pavements have more right to be there than runners ?

As I've said previously, runners are in control of these situations, they are faster, more mobile, know what their plan is (unless you seriously think they don't know where their legs are taking them), want to keep up momentum, don't want to stop. So I think the onus on them, given their dominance of the situation, to make sure each encounter ends well and the walker is not compromised (on a fecking PAVEMENT) !

I'm not against runners, I have a decent history myself, ahem:
Half Marathon 1:21
20 Mile 2:01
10 Mile 0:55

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by Penguin68 April 03, 11:45AM

As a previous poster mentioned, it would be helpful if walkers/those on the pavement also made an effort to move also!

People who are running are, by definition, likely to be fit and relatively agile. Some people who are walking are not. They may be elderly (around me they may also be blind or partially sighted, as there is a home for such locally) - they may also find it difficult to make sudden or extreme movements. They are walkers, walking on pavements. But they still need, indeed you could argue they may be in more need, of exercise at a time when normal 'just walking about, shopping etc.' isn't such an option. We pavement walkers try to keep a distance from everyone, including even those we are walking with (walking in single file to present a narrower front). Runners pounding down the middle of suburban pavements (and some certainly do) are a selfish menace.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by edcam April 03, 12:51PM

To be fair, they do. Joggers can go to parks and easily avoid people. I'm finding the majority are being good about giving people a wide berth though, it's the ignorant minority that are the problem. Walkers aren't immune to this either by the way. We should all be making every effort to sustain the 2 metre rule.

fayebarrett Wrote:
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>I have found that walkers
> seem to feel they have more claim to the pavement
> than joggers.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by rahrahrah April 03, 01:24PM

Penguin68 Wrote:
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> As a previous poster mentioned, it would be
> helpful if walkers/those on the pavement also made
> an effort to move also!
>
> People who are running are, by definition, likely
> to be fit and relatively agile. Some people who
> are walking are not. They may be elderly (around
> me they may also be blind or partially sighted, as
> there is a home for such locally) - they may also
> find it difficult to make sudden or extreme
> movements. They are walkers, walking on pavements.
> But they still need, indeed you could argue they
> may be in more need, of exercise at a time when
> normal 'just walking about, shopping etc.' isn't
> such an option. We pavement walkers try to keep a
> distance from everyone, including even those we
> are walking with (walking in single file to
> present a narrower front). Runners pounding down
> the middle of suburban pavements (and some
> certainly do) are a selfish menace.

This whole situation just further highlights the ridiculous way we have apportioned public space. Pavements far too narrow (often halved in size again by drop kerbs). So much of the public realm given over for car use. We need to rebalance towards cycle and pedestrian infrastructure.

Anyway, agree about the jogging thing. people running past really close breathing heavily in the park yesterday. Also saw one guy spitting as he ran. Awful.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by mako April 03, 01:43PM

fayebarrett Wrote:
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> KidKruger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Talking to my neighbours on CP Road, keeping
> our
> > distance on opposite sides of pavement (I'm
> stood
> > at kerb, neighbour behind front gate).
> > A couple, running, just jog through between us.
> > Gobsmacked wouldn't even start to explain my
> > surprise !
> > WTF
> > If I see these guys tomorrow there'll be
> another
> > thread.
>
> @kidkruger Can I ask where you thought they should
> go, given that you were taking up the whole
> pavement? Iíve been running several times a week,
> as I always have done. I try my absolute best to
> keep 2+ metre distance by going onto grass, into
> road, etc, but when youíre next to a busy road
> this is quite difficult. I have found that walkers
> seem to feel they have more claim to the pavement
> than joggers. We ALL need to keep a distance -
> itís not up to one group only. As a previous
> poster mentioned, it would be helpful if
> walkers/those on the pavement also made an effort
> to move also!

There is no reason for you to be running on the pavements where other people are. People need to walk on the pavements to get to shops. if you have to run go to the parks we have plenty.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by kerry2015 April 03, 03:02PM

mako Wrote:
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> fayebarrett Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > KidKruger Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Talking to my neighbours on CP Road, keeping
> > our
> > > distance on opposite sides of pavement (I'm
> > stood
> > > at kerb, neighbour behind front gate).
> > > A couple, running, just jog through between
> us.
> > > Gobsmacked wouldn't even start to explain my
> > > surprise !
> > > WTF
> > > If I see these guys tomorrow there'll be
> > another
> > > thread.
> >
> > @kidkruger Can I ask where you thought they
> should
> > go, given that you were taking up the whole
> > pavement? Iíve been running several times a
> week,
> > as I always have done. I try my absolute best
> to
> > keep 2+ metre distance by going onto grass,
> into
> > road, etc, but when youíre next to a busy road
> > this is quite difficult. I have found that
> walkers
> > seem to feel they have more claim to the
> pavement
> > than joggers. We ALL need to keep a distance -
> > itís not up to one group only. As a previous
> > poster mentioned, it would be helpful if
> > walkers/those on the pavement also made an
> effort
> > to move also!
>
> There is no reason for you to be running on the
> pavements where other people are. People need to
> walk on the pavements to get to shops. if you have
> to run go to the parks we have plenty.

Mako, you should contact the government to get them to update their advice for exercise, to state 'no running on pavements'!

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by mako April 03, 04:40PM

Due to the selfishness and or stupidity of large chunks of society you are right that the government needs to give clearer advice that needs to be much more restrictive than iot currently is if it wants as few infections as possible.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by mako April 03, 05:14PM

'Stay at home protect lives'.Matt Hancock today. Or in other words 'Go out for an unnecessary jog and kill people'

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by redjam April 03, 06:03PM

I can see from your dozen or so posts in the last couple of days that you feel strongly about this, Mako. And undoubtedly joggers who loom up on people unexpectedly are idiots. But on my run today I saw other runners keeping a respectful distance and there was plenty of room for everyone. (And yes, I ran in the road most of the way to Peckham Rye and then ran on the grass once there to keep a safe distance from passers-by on the path.) So we're not all dangerous idiots and I strongly disagree with some of the people on this thread who seem to be calling for all runners to stay at home.

Staying fit is one of the key ways to reduce your risk of ending up in intensive care with coronavirus (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52076856) and the benefits of running to your mental health are well known. Also the risk of catching coronavirus from someone whizzing past you at speed is 'extremely small', according to experts. Interesting article here: [www.theguardian.com]

Of course there are some runners who are not careful and they should be called out but please do not tar us all with the same brush!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 03, 06:04pm by redjam.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by alice April 03, 06:12PM

Iíve been running and walking on alternate days. The idiot percentage is the same.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by mako April 03, 07:27PM

So why Alice are you going out and facing the idiots and putting yourself and others at risk. Redjam I do feel strongly about this. I have watched from my window literally thousands of instances of people unecessarily encroaching the 2meters and people will unecessarily die as a result. My view is that its been less than 2 weeks and people really could have exercised indoors or in their gardens if they have one. If you feel you must jog then go to a park not the busy pavements. i understand that not all joggers are to blame and not all areas are so busy, but Lordship lane for example is too busy to run along the pavements and be socially responsible.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by KidKruger April 03, 07:38PM

Itís a binary situation, either donít infect people or do.
One of the other, your choice, every time you get near someone, HOWEVER you travel down the pavement.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by alice April 03, 08:03PM

Mako - my observations only not direct experience. I am fortunate living within 2 mins from Peckham park. Roll on antibody test.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by KidKruger April 04, 12:40PM

OK. Dulwich park an hour ago. Very busy as sunny and post-breakfast.
Plenty walkers joggers families. No problem.
Everyone being fairly responsible with the distance thing.
Missus pulls me out of a runners way. This guy is obviously an experienced and fast runner.
Red and Black horizontally striped running vest, black shorts,, dark brown hair, @6ft.
He ain't moving for anybody, he's in train and you're in his way, end of.
No surprises, we've already ascertained above that there's a small % of assholes (whether walker or runner).
OK...
A few minutes later, we're sat on our coats on grass near edge of park.
We see stripey approaching on his next lap, fast, he's seemingly determined to maintain his 'right' to run at chosen speed wherever he wants, breezing past walkers and joggers centimetres distance.
Suddenly a Dad on a bicycle, with a toddler in seat on back, catches up with the runner and remonstrates politely about the fast runner having just brushed past him, asking why he is not keeping a responsible distance.
Runner seems to try and ignore him (or hard of hearing ?).
Then runner says "Feck Off" as he continues.
Dad, keeping up on his bicycle, presses the query saying the guy should be more responsible.
Runner pissed off screams, "I'm in a race!".

Well there we have it, hot heels is in a fecking 'race'
So feck the rest of you and feck the health guidelines.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by RyeRambler April 04, 12:56PM

This morning in peckham rye park I witnessed a woman encouraging her dog to attack runners. As I was approaching her she was arguing with a runner I guess who maybe passed too close to her. I passed about 4 metres away on the grass and heard her say "get him" to the dog. Thankfully dog not as nasty as her. She was white middle aged and dog was a light coloured lurcher. Unfortunately its more likely the dog will suffer from her stupidity.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by KidKruger April 04, 01:20PM

Yep. People not keeping reasonable distance will increasingly cause confrontations between them.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by lindylou April 04, 03:24PM

I can't wait for tomorrow. The police will be out in every park because they expect idiots to be out in force. Police to jogger: "why are you out running around the park?" Jogger "because I can and because I have no respect or concern for anyone but myself". P

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by Nigello April 05, 10:58AM

SOURCE - BBC

Labour, the UK's main opposition party, will back the government's possible plans to ban outdoor exercise if it was "necessary" to reduce the number of deaths from coronavirus.

Sir Keir Starmer, who was elected Labour leader on Saturday, told the BBC's Andrew Marr: "Every time people break the guidance from the government, they put other people at risk."

His comments come after Health Secretary Matt Hancock said if people continue to "flout the rules" then the government will ban exercise outside of the home.

Sir Keir said the focus has to be ďwhat is necessary to reduce the number of deathsĒ.

messageRe: Joggers, not keeping a asfe distance
Posted by healey April 05, 12:05PM

Hypocrisy abounds on this subject. Easy to blame joggers but I see plenty of non-runners ambling, congregating, chatting, chasing after dogs, teaching kids to ride bikes, sunbathing etc.

If the lockdown is to be sustainable it has to be flexible. A hard lockdown would lead to unrest within a month. There has to a balance between slowing the virus and imposing a medium-term lockdown that people can live with.

Laying it all on runners is pure projection.

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