Jeremy

I think the Palmerston would be better if they re-thought the pub/restaurant separation. Maybe just a very small bar at the front. Nobody wants to pay ?40 a head for dinner while sitting next to a bunch of lairy beered up blokes. Do mean this place, DC? http://www.mintmagazine.co.uk/general/beer-and-loathing-jfks-aka-canavans-pool-club-peckham/ Looks interesting!

Saturday, as in two days ago? Or a typical Saturday night "back in the day"? Don't remember the old Lord Palmerston doing food. Could be wrong.

And William Rose used to be a ladies underwear shop (creepy voice, rubs thighs)... which closed down after about 3 months.

I liked the Lord Palmerston too. People on here have said it was rough, but I never picked up on that. The Forresters though... that's a different story!

The Uplands was (back in 2001-ish?) probably the first attempt at opening a gastro-pub in ED. But the space didn't work, and the food was awful.

If these things were done properly in the first place, then we wouldn't need to tear it down and restore the building a few years down the line.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Like actually angry? Or mildly vexed? Mildly vexed ranging to really quite irritated. Of course I have no hatred for any of these individuals, but I do have a general dislike of the whole "tribe" thing, as you put it, at the best of times. Just the copycat, formulaic nature of it all. And this particular tribe seem to believe they're particularly cool (at least that's how it plays out in my mind). And of course they mainly look like complete dorks.

SJ, it's illogical but I get it. When I see these guys with their silly skin-tight trousers, Morrissey hair, sunglasses stolen from an eight year old girl, and of course a bloody beard. I just get really angry.

Yeah RD, I guessed the heat must have broken the glass and damaged the iron structure... just surprised that whatever was inside burned hot enough to warp iron!

I know what you mean, oilworker. Not sure how the cast iron frame could burn down! Anyway, if the Chinese are going to rebuild the Crystal Palace, maybe they could knock up a few Egyptian pyramids and a Leaning Tower of Pisa while they're at it? Really put Sydenham/Norwood/whatever it's called on the map!

Depends if you take the literal meaning (a woman who is a mother), the true spirit (mother of someone in your own age group), or the modern usage (simply an older woman). Any of these would be rather moronic, but I'm assuming he meant the third... which ties in with KK's point... there does indeed reach a point where "older woman" fantasies would seem somewhat flawed.

I suspect it would end up looking like a cheap theme park replica...

I thought the same, Mick Mac... respray, serial numbers filed off and re-stamped, documents and plates fabricated, car exported. I guess it depends whether the theives are pros or just kids.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The older women you used to fantasise about are of > equal age, or, scarily, slightly younger than you. A couple of years ago I was on a stag weekend with a bunch of guys who were mainly in their late 30s. One of them repeatedly used the phrase "MILF" over the weekend to describe good looking women only slightly older than himself. I think he was in denial. Or maybe just a bit thick.

If it's any consolation, it has ALWAYS taken me longer to recover from the evening before than the evening itself. And I've always avoided dry-clean only clothes (can't stand suits). And I sometimes bake. And back on topic, I've never been able to afford a house in ED, and possibly never will. But I will never... I repeat, never... willingly listen to Michael Buble.

Probably when you start to think that policemen look like kids. Or worse - when politicians look like kids.

I'm not disagreeing (as such) with SJ and MrBen. Something does smell fishy when you have to be a 6-figure high earner with a 6-figure deposit to buy a 3 bed house in what is a nice-but-not-fancy neighbourhood. But at the same time I think that people have always had to find the right mixture of location/size for their income and lifestyle, and there are still relatively affordable areas in and around London.

SJ, yes yes I get it. You don't want to live in East Ham. Fine. Nor do I, especially. But if houses in established "good" areas of London are now accessible only to the wealthy, then moving to other areas is one of the options. And if affordability really is approaching tipping point, then surely more and more people will be doing just that. It's not necessarily about finding the "next" anything, it's about making do, which is what almost all of us do already to some degree.

RD - problem with your suggestion is that I don't think us brits are very good at saving, we'd need to find a way to figure out how to pay the rent after we retire! Like you say... change in mindset. SJ - I know East Ham is not a great area (and then some), it was more of a suggestion of a long term way forward, rather than somewhere you'd move to next month with your family. But if people start moving to those places in their twenties because it's affordable, fairly well connected, etc... then decide to buy a place... maybe it will pick up. I don't see why not.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boiled down, yes Jeremy. Or close to it anyway OK. I like boiling things down. So what's going to happen? In lots of other big cities it's quite normal for families to live in flats. So maybe that's the way it will end up here... get rich, live in a flat, or move away. Or perhaps we're in for a wholesale "readjustement" when interest rates rise, as RD suggests. Or maybe unloved areas of East and South-East London will become more popular (East Ham... 3 bed house doable on much less than MrBen's suggested 90K joint salary). Or maybe a mixture of all three?

I'm still not sure what's new here. London property prices have been rising faster than salaries for a long time. MrBen/StraferJack - is the crux of your argument that you think the situation has reached tipping point?

Saffron, I really think you're confusing the issue. Of course people (well... normal people) are glad that the baby's healthy, etc. Just because we're not interested in (or don't agree with) the institution of royalty and resent the blanket media coverage, doesn't mean we resent them on a personal level or wish them harm.

People have been complaining for years about young people moving in (specifically from Clapham) and pushing up the prices. Yet again - nothing new. Yeah it sucks when you can't afford the property you want because other people have more money than you. I know. C'est la vie...

I don't think Rye Lane is ripe for gentrification any time soon. It's very hard to see it happening, and that's fine. But as SJ says, the area in front of the station is horrible. It would be great to see the building returned to its former glory, and the space around it opened up a bit.

Goodrich school is pretty close, right?