Spartacus

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Blimey boyz > > > > You lot obviously need a hobby or something as > > you've been so active on here on a Saturday > night. > > > > > > Maybe you're missing the pub, or something to > do > > with your hands 😱 > > > > How about getting yourselves some needles and > try > > making the attached trendy items > > Actually, you know Spartacus....I've thought for a > while that you must be a member of the Meat > Packers Union.... > > First the "I dont get it" Vegan thread, and now > mitten designs that could easily be used for > abattoir work... Seabag ? Is that you playing both sides of the fence or is The Cat just echoing you ? Busted especially as the mittens are what gives me a feeling of Meat Euphoria

Thanks for the heads up I would hazard a guess that if it's crime related then potentially it's to disable alarm monitoring / wireless alarm systems Hopefully nothing more comes off it but might be worth asking neighbours if they have CCTV to get a picture of the person involved.

Blimey boyz You lot obviously need a hobby or something as you've been so active on here on a Saturday night. Maybe you're missing the pub, or something to do with your hands 😱 How about getting yourselves some needles and try making the attached trendy items

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...and perhaps that?s why BoJo avoids Kier?s > questions. We?re heading for 400-500,000 deaths by > Xmas IMO, and Kier?s suggestions to date (if acted > upon) would have significantly reduced that. Interesting kid If the suggestions had been acted in at the time, the curve May have had a different shape but there is a question over would we have then unlocked earlier and infections rose again. One suggestion was a "firebreak" like Wales did, but after they came out numbers went up significantly. I'm not convinced that acting differently would have a major effect on overall numbers, but the timeframe potentially would be different The only course of action would have been total lock down, close borders to everyone from fay one and act like Singapore / China but as everyone advocated still being able to trade with Europe / rest of the world that wouldn't have been practical and no one would tolerate a 12 month total removal of the right to go out if their houses and the economy would have tanked beyond recovery. Would be interesting to model the scenarios and see what the result would be.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I heard Kier, during yesterday?s (?) PMQs, asking > why BoJo had not followed the Home Sec?s > suggestion to close/restrict borders last March > 2020. > BoJo literally didn?t answer the question, he just > blagged on about how the UK has ?one of the most > stringent pandemic border controls in the world of > any nation? (it hasn?t). > The gall of it, what?s the point of PMQs if he > ignores what he?s asked ?! Liar liar pants on fire PMQs is Wednesday not Friday 😱😂😂

I was hoping for a better bounty out of this thread but may have to form a breakaway club twixt to get my teeth to crunchie on

Free Felon Sue There's a march through North Cross Road market planned for next Saturday to protest her innocence.

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think you are a vocal minority but rather than > just stir things up I'll see what I can get hold > of re: national attitudes. Sorry you will have to > wait until next week when I talk to some in the > know (don't have contacts in LBS). That's the issue Malumba, you and the council try and dismiss residents who object as a "vocal minority" yet without a formal and fair consultation there's no evidence to support that's the case Claiming a national survey shows different doesn't count as 90% of the country don't experience London driving / transport issues so can't be used as a representing group for London. It's akin to Londoners saying "all Glaswegians need to wear kilts as its what we think they should wear"* we don't live there so why should we be used as a representative voice ? * not a true example as all Scotsmen wear kilts daily anyway

Administrator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's more about wading in with an FFS opinion > about a for sale item. It's not necessary to join > in. Finally Forum Speaks ?

Finds Forum Scintillating Oh Sue, you are such a trooper A SUEper Trooper in fact

Sue I'm with you on this, I've finished all the box sets I want to see and now I'm waiting for Nigello to get to the punchline of this Marathon Snickers behind hand as said and pats Yorkie on head

If the LTNs are removed , will the newspaper headlines quote "Cycle Lobby's and Councils forced to backpedal" ?

And as well as going after the street space changes, cabbies are going for uber based on illegal business activity BBC News - Uber: London cabbies plan to sue for damages https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55742569 Whilst indirectly related to the healthy streets, if they win and companies like uber are forced to withdraw or change their business practices then it may have additional positive effects on traffic volumes using main and side roads and people returning to public transport This could see lower traffic volumes occurring naturally and negating one of the key arguments for LTNs (but not all)

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It was like catnip to them and they couldn't help themselves. Thank you I've now got an image of council officers wide eyed and high on nip rubbing themselves up and down on a giddy planning kipper 😻 No change from how they normally behave I suspect

Strangely both are correct ... no wonded English is so hard to learn. denier noun plural noun: deniers a person who denies something, especially someone who refuses to admit the truth of a concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence. noun a unit of weight by which the fineness of silk, rayon, or nylon yarn is measured, equal to the weight in grams of 9,000 metres of the yarn and often used to describe the thickness of hosiery.

Flag gate Or flagon as it will be known by our grandchildren !

On freeview it's channel 8 (for future references) so you may need to retune

Ex Are you saying that you are against a fair consultation on the subject ? It feels very much like you are to me from the way you try and dismiss one (of two) petitions against the LTNs (and that's just Dulwich) yet pro petitions don't generate such high numbers of signatures. Look at what happened in Crystal Palace with their petition. The local sentiment in areas where LTNs are implemented without consultation (as in the case of Southwark) is normally against them hence why there is reluctance by the council and the pro lobby to hold a formal and fair consultation. After all that's all people are really asking for, the council to hold a formal and fair consultation and agree to act accordingly based on the results.

The trumpeters are surrounded the walls of Jericho https://www.cityam.com/high-court-rules-tfls-streetspace-plan-unlawful/

Interesting You are advocating using a national report to trump local opinion If that is repeated across the whole of the country, and if the local opinion everywhere is contra to the national report will councils still say "but national... so local opinion isn't important" ? Regardless, my point is that the council needs to do proper, structured and validated consultations on the LTN or alternative options and work with the demographics not against them.

DulwichCentral Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Dulwich central > > > > Can you show us a petition that represents more > > than 3000 people in an area of 11,255 residents > in > > favour ? > > > No I can't. But with respect, neither can you. > A neighbour told me that petition didn't have > postcode verification - so it could have been > signed by people outside London even. Like the one > in Kensington and Chelsea to get the cycle lane > removed there - it was signed by people Africa. :) So based on hearsay and speculation you are dismissing the petition as a "vocal minority" without providing anything to support your argument You are obviously clutching at straws to dismiss it because it doesn't support your belief that cycling is the only way forward. Maybe if you have belief in your convictions you should also be pushing for a formal and fairly presented consultation on the future of the measures and as you are so paranoid about outside influence, everyone will need to verify their address so neither side can get external support from outside the area (and I say area as the roads effected by the local dissipated traffic need to be include ) Or are you scared that if such a consultation happens you will realise that maybe you are in a vocal minority ? I'm not scared to find our and if I'm wrong so be it. Time to put your money where your convictions are.

Dulwich central Can you show us a petition that represents more than 3000 people in an area of 11,255 residents in favour ? And rockets also pointed out that the use of 1% is flawed, they weren't agreeing with you. It's not uncommon for both sides to use outside signatures and the cycling lobby often puts the message out London wide so I am afraid your argument that not everyone lives locally is negated plus how many of the people who signed live just outside the boundary but need to come into the area ? As said , and there is no denying it, a formal consultation fairly run is required.

DulwichCentral Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The petition with 3000 signatures accepted > signatures from outside Southwark though didn't > it? So ex dulwicher is being generous with 1%. The pro lobby also use the same tactic and as it represents a distinct area it's not 1% of the borough but 26% of the area Your use of stats is terrible

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So the council appear to have paid lip service > only to a 3000 plus signature petition. > > Southwark Council's website says that Southwark is > home to more than 314,000 people so a 3000 > signature petition is a little under 1%. > > Quite the opposite then - if they act on a 3000 > signature petition, that's ignoring the 99% of > people who haven't responded. > > Even if you focussed it right down to Dulwich Ward > (population 11,255 according to ONS: link > https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/london/wards/s > outhwark/E05011100__dulwich_village/ ) it's 26% > opposition. That's assuming of course that > everyone opposed lives/works in Dulwich Ward; the > reality is that there's always some cross platform > signatures from "outside". Oh dear So you are dismissing out of hand a petition that's equivalent to 26% of the population of the area it represents which incidentally is a lot more people than the council say wanted schemes like this. By the same argument you use, the cyclist and pro LTN lobby also uses "outside" signatures so that negates that as an argument. The council seem to play fast and loose with statistics, let's look at the response to the CPZ consultations as a clear example and yet you are dismissing a response of 26% of the area against the LTNs in favour of what percentage exactly supporting the LTN scheme ? (As they say at school, show your workings) This is exactly why a consultation is required to see what the real level of support and objections there are and then actually listen to the people or are you denying that this is needed and things will improve once drivers all take up cycling, including the elderly, disabled and otherwise physically incapacitated ?

Thanks's legal So the council appear to have paid lip service only to a 3000 plus signature petition. That's hardly listening to the public or running proper consultations. Didn't Grant Shapps say he would personally intervene where councils aren't listening to or consulting with stakeholders. This potentially could be such a case 🤔