Spartacus

The good thing about this change of heart from Shapps is that councils will now need to consult on changes rather than dictate to their voters It may still result in the same changes occurring but at least people will feel that they've had their input to the process.

Can we bulldoze Tooley street to see if that helps ? Strangely predictive puts Toilet in when I type Tooley, maybe it knows something we don't 😆

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As my wife so beautifully put it..."that's the > problem with this council, they dangle the carrot, > you take a bite and then they smack you round the > back of your head with a suede". The real problem is that they dangle a tasty carrot on front of a minority to get them to bite and endorse the schemes whilst burying the rest of the population to make manure to grow the walloping suede If there was a fair and just consultation first backed up with real world statistics I suspect people wouldn't vote the way the carrot munchers did. But we will never know as this council is so democratic (not)

Maybe rather than redevelopment the council should try advertising it as a bowling green, invite people to pay to play and see if it gets used Until this thread I didn't even know it was there and whilst I wouldn't use it, if people don't know a facility exists they won't know they can use it !

eastdulwichlocal99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Main roads busy at rush hour, who?d have > thought... shock horror! But the question is, have the road changes made the roads busier if so that's the real shock horror !

So here is a conundrum We have one group saying traffic is terrible Another saying its fine But what we don't have is official pre-implementation stats around the area and proper monitoring of the scheme both in the immediate vicinity and on roads effected by it. Sadly Southwark didn't do the pre stats which means they can't show if the scheme is a success or not and what happens to the displaced traffic. I think a lot of people on both sides would be happier if it had been implemented in a controlled way with the correct monitoring before, during and after implementing. Without the correct monitoring and control Southwark only has hearsay on how successful it is as they can't show stats for the before situation taken over a controlled period of time (not just one busy week) nor will they have enough information to prove evaporation and not displacement. Without it people will always be miffed as a result and can challenge the methodology and results.

thebestnameshavegone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > slarti b Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > @bestnamesetc > > Which roads do your childern use to get to > school, > > The ones the councillors are diverting > traffic > > onto? > > > My kids walk to school. Anyone driving their kids > to school shouldn't be allowed to live in London. Controversy could reverse that and say anyone living in London shouldn't be allowed to have kids. 😱 Strangely whilst I don't agree with it as a statement it has the potential to reduce the population in London, thus reducing the number of journeys needed to be undertaken by cars. The Chinese practiced birth control allowing only one child per couple, maybe that's the lesson we should take from communism. Reduce the population to reduce car journeys 😆 (just don't tell the council as it will be on the next council agenda)

The airline industry wants us to be able to test at airports to avoid quarantining so that they (the airlines) can start to encourage more passengers to fly. Obviously this isn't a tested strategy in this country yet and there is a concern that rates will increase as travelling increases. Just look at countries where this sort of scheme is already in place. In my opinion, the reason London and other major airport hubs were the first to see high infection rates was unintentionally down to mass transit of the virus into the country via airlines. My opinion but it's a fairly reasonable assumption. Should we move from the 14 day quarantine regime to testing at the airports ?

Johnl I think the engine running in stationary traffic refers to sitting in the queues created by the scheme, not people just sitting in a stationary vehicle at the side of the road. With older cars, stopping and starting the engine often results in higher pollution levels then leaving it running for the sane period. Obviously this isn't the same for modern cars with auto stop / start

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It would appear the good councillor has abandoned > this thread. And you are surprised by this ?

redpost Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus, perhaps you should live up to your name > and start one? From past experience when I started a revolution, the Appian Way leading to Tooley Street will be littered with crucified car drivers. Although it does appear to be Southwark Councils master plan to crucify us all anyway.

Trust your gut feeling, you already sound like you are questioning the purchase and the ask for a non refundable deposit is questionable as what happens if she decides to take a higher offer I know what I would do if it was me, wait for something better to come along and hope prices drop as they are currently predicting. But totally your choice, and you need to think with your mind, not your heart to see if it's really the right decision. Remember, and a lesson from history, back in the late 80s early 90s a lot of people bought anything they could get their hands on as prices were rising quickly then it all crashed and they were left with negative equity on shot holes (deliberate misspelling)

Has anyone started a petition against the road closures yet and lack of pre and post monitoring ? From what I'm seeing on here a lot of people borough wide would sign it !

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Have any of our councillors visited the ward to > see the impact of the recent changes? Abe We've told you before stop being so damn logical

Peter John decides to bring phase 4 of the healthy streets project forward and installs a fort in Dulwich Village "when the floods come we can tax them when using boats to get into the village" he tells the council chamber and his trusty side kick Pirate Jimbo

I wonder if people like Piers will be still shouting conspiracy if they actually caught Covid ? Or would they claim they were deliberately infected by the powers that be !

I've been involved in yet another accident ,careless me, and had great fun asking the real person at the other end "are you my mummy?" (Echos of doctor who came to mind) followed by "can you tell me where I left my toy car?" Strangely they hung up .. most disappointed in the resilience and perseverance of these people

Sigh This story shows how easy it is to catch and if caught how it can be spread to 180 others :BBC News - Coronavirus: Cases on Tui flight from Zante to Cardiff https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53966897

Johnl most people do kill two birds with one stone when going to the dump, be it going to the supermarket or DIY store after but the risk is by making the initial trip twice as long the impetus to do the second or even third task is lost as you need to return home first for the toilet 😱

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh dear- it's going UP > https://uk.yahoo.com/news/health-secretary-warns-e > xtensive-lockdowns-230154302.html Are you surprised? people have virtually forgotten about social distancing, others are travelling back from holiday destinations where the numbers are already rising and in a few days schools will go back and we will all be encouraged to go back to the offices. It's a shame that we aren't learning the mistakes made from countries like Spain and France where the numbers are already rising and trying to avoid the same mistakes here.

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Like that we're still measuring important things > in inches Of course we are, ask any boy and the standard unit of todger measurement is the inch. Sadly as we've gone metric they tend to not understand the conversion so will overestimate by about 50% compared to reality 😱

I always wonder how extinction rebellion get to these demonstrations. Do they use the public transport systems they so despise including diesel buses, diesel electric trains, or drive ? Can't imagine they all walk to the events as that would take ages to get to them 😱

Mr Chicken gets so angry about cars on his healthy street that he starts throwing his toys out of his pram "Perhaps if they're quick enough they can block off both ends of the road and trap some cars inside" he mutters to himself as no-one else is listening

So sorry Mr. Clucking for getting your name wrong or should I say so sorry Peter John ? As that's what your consultation of one makes you sound like 😱

There isn't a petition set up yet, but if someone does then post details here and also make sure it covers the restrictions borough wide so as to include Peckham, Camberwell and the Walwortb road changes as you would get more signatures. Sadly if I started it as Spartacus it would lead to a slave revolution !