Spartacus

Ah DC I see you and sephiroth are resorting to playground bully child tactics by name calling If you both want to act as children then respect the fact that you will be treated as such. As a thought, if DC was such an influential figure then it almost implies that we are all sheep who run in wild circles when the Shepard's do something unexpected. Maybe if we didn't seek scapegoats to justify us breaking rules, the virus might have been easier to contain.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I?m has suffered more covid deaths just today than > Australia has since the beginning of the pandemic > > Spartacus. You are an idiot with your china > bollix Ah Your insult has been delivered because you have nothing of note to say Who's looking like an idiot now for resulting to petty playground name calling because you don't like what someone else has said... I'll leave it there for tonight as I really can't be bothered with people who aren't open for challenges, discussion or differing views.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Somehow they stopped it spreading internally > but > > failed to contain it from getting out of China > > For the hard of understanding: > > It. Had. Already. Left. China. By. The. Time They. > Tried. To Contain. It. Internally... First things first The majority, not the minority, feel put upon by rules, regardless and the DC incident just gave them licence to use it as an excuse. Let's look at current behaviour with masks or anti lock down protesters , they certainly aren't Doing it all because one man didn't follow the rules If trust is that thin then we are either sheep lead by the media or quite frankly doomed (captain Mainwaring doomed I say) Using the castle incident is pure lazy excuse making for what people will and won't do Secondly to use your "for the hard of understanding" line For the hard of thinking , how the hell did China contain it so well in one Provence yet allowed it to spread to the,world. It wasn't just a case of a few people having it in small pockets around the world, a large number of people must have had it to create a viral load that infected so many so quickly Therefore open your mind, look at why China could contain it whilst the rest of the world got it so bad and then and only then call me stupid like you basically did above ! There has to be some reason that a country of so many million where it originated from didn't see it explode in all districts yet internationally it escaped like a rabid beast.. you tell me how they stopped it and the rest of the world couldn't because it's not as easy to dismiss as the Tory's are feckless idiots ...

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > DR > > Explain then how China closed its internal > borders > > to contain it mostly to Wuhan but international > > flights / travel exported it to the rest of the > > world. > > > > If the same measures implemented internally to > > contain it to Wuhan in China were used in the > > first place, covid would be no worse than the > last > > SARS outbreak... > > > > Hence why I'm if a mind to look at how the > Chinese > > government let it escape to the rest of the > world > > What bit of ''it would've already been too late'' > did you not understand?... To use your tone if voice, What bit of "how did China contain it" didn't you understand Somehow they stopped it spreading internally but failed to contain it from getting out of China Countries tried to stop it , remember the repatriation flights where people complained about going into quarantine Yet places like Beijing didn't have mass out breaks (unless China have lied to us) Not a conspiracy theory but a genuine question of why wasn't it contained earlier in the way that the rest of China was spared ? It may not have been too late if China had stopped international flights and other transit routes earlier...but carry on shouting into the wind and not actually questioning the fundamental point of how did China contain it?

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Spartacus Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > I actually think it's spreading fast due to > how > > > people behave, no matter what government rule > > is > > > put in, by any government, people won't > follow > > it > > > and the virus goes "that'll do nicely thanks" > > > > Actually, most of us were following the rules, > then Bernard Castle and the failure to show > contrition and/or apologise happened... Which is just a shallow excuse for rule breaking by people who weren't going to respect them anyway. Did he corrupt the French, Spanish or Italians where people also broke the rules ?

DR Explain then how China closed its internal borders to contain it mostly to Wuhan but international flights / travel exported it to the rest of the world. If the same measures implemented internally to contain it to Wuhan in China were used in the first place, covid would be no worse than the last SARS outbreak... Hence why I'm if a mind to look at how the Chinese government let it escape to the rest of the world

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > I actually think it's spreading fast due to how > > people behave, no matter what government rule > is > > put in, by any government, people won't follow > it > > and the virus goes "that'll do nicely thanks" > > > > That's Government responsibility to persuade and > cajole and threaten and the rest. > > They should do it all. Ah So are you going to suggest that we should be under a dictatorship or similar where free will is illegal ? Sadly that's the only way that covid deniers and others who don't want to follow the rules can be managed. Look at other countries where they've implemented curfews (France for example) and other measures, short of them adopting China's or North Korea's dictatorship, people still don't follow rules and numbers go up...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "GPs up and down the country are desperate to > start vaccinating their patients - yet cannot, > because *even while* @BorisJohnson talks the talk > about huge vaccine roll out, his government has > failed to supply these practices with *any* doses. > It?s sheer dishonesty & incompetence. > > 96785664" Is what you posted yet the tweet itself said "Covid vaccination- from the front line. My group of practices was initially told we would get our first delivery on 28th december. Then 4th jan. Then 11th jan. Now we are ?6th wave? and it will be 13th, 14th or 15th jan. We are raring to go, but have no vaccines. WHY?" You can see why your post looks like spin to me 😱 As for blaming any government , I don't, apart from the Chinese one that is for not containing Covid in the first instance. I actually think it's spreading fast due to how people behave, no matter what government rule is put in, by any government, people won't follow it and the virus goes "that'll do nicely thanks" So telling me how I would react when I was asking you how you would react is actually a classic case of you projecting on me. 😏

The tweet in itself is a valid point from a single GP practice, but then you spun it to try and show that supply logistics of getting the vaccine that had only just been approved are down to the government and not possibly down to production issues After all it's not like millions of doses are sitting on shelves like toilet rolls is it ? I wonder if Jezza had won the past election and hypothtically we were in exactly the same situation, would you still be blaming a labour government or looking at other reasons ?

Ah The joys of social media being used as gospel Praise the great God twitter for it is always right and accurate. Especially when someone says something I agree with but it's the devils workhorse when someone says something I disagree with.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Finally...after many decades since the movie's > release, and many false claims, we find out that > spartacus is actually Bob Dylan.... Thecat is out of the bag his mind

And let's not forget licorice Best advert I've ever seen, just an off tan page with the word licorice written on it. Made me want to know more and where it was 😃

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's not relevant to the subject under discussion The relevance is that like a lot of threads on here, this discussion has just become a rambling whinge fest. So I count how fortunate I am in different ways to you.

Exactly KK So count your blessings that all that happened in either 6 days or over a few million years depending on your beliefs 😆

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the thread was started to say how lucky the UK was > to not be in the EU > > Not sure what North Korea has to do with anything It's to do with the fact that in the EDF we have freedom of speech On the North Korea Forum, they won't Light bulb gone on yet ?

We are indeed very fortunate We can all, without fear of imprisonment or prosecution, criticize our government and air our views. We are free to make our own decisions about if we adhere to policies designed to keep us safe and if we don't and infection rates go up, we can then moan with out recriminations that not enough was done to enforce said policies. But most of all, by posting on here we demonstrate that we are alive and not a covid statistic in the "sadly" section of the news... I count my blessings daily and can just imagine the joys of the North Korea Forum posts ("our leader is glorious , we are fortunate")

In a few short days, we are going to need a new thread that Trumps this one I guess we will need to Biden our time till it happens!

Thanks Sue Pretty much as expected although the mad idea of people going out to stand in a queue and collect mail at the moment seems a recipe for spreading covid .. I wonder how many hospital appointments / test results or other important letters are stuck in the sorting office? Whilst the covid situation is understandable and sad, there needs to be alternative solutions to clear the backlog before we get a mountain of post and no hope of getting to the bottom of it.

Are you talking wooden or metal / plastic ones? The latter could explain the mystery (and if it wasn't for those meddling kids we would all have gotten away with it)

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I usually go to bed around 2-3am, so BAU for me as > far as staying-up goes. > Bed by 12 would feel like I?ve been naughty. > Since having kids, going out for a big one on NYE > is a bit of an ex-pastime anyway ! Oh but you have been so so very naughty KK , I'm surprised if Santa left you any presents this year.😃 There are photos somewhere to prove it 😱

The petition is too vague around how the permit scheme should work and we all know Southwark council, give them an inch and they will take a mile of road away ...

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh for the days when postmen/women were seen on > your street posting letters through people?s > doors. > > Do they still exist? They went the same way as the milkman 😱

Bicknell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A link to the e-petition - no to 24/7 closures, > Yes to permits. I 'd be happy if just ambulances > allowed through. Others might disagree. its about > getting the council to agree there might be other, > fairer solutions. > http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDispl > ay.aspx?ID=500000057&RPID=774265785&HPID=774265785 Can anyone explain how this will work as its short of details? Is it area wide CPZ that ED rejected recently ? Is it permits to drive for locals , excluding visitors and friends from coming to the area ? Why area wide, the problem isn't area wide ? What happens if a London wide road pricing scheme comes in, will we have to pay twice ? Too little detail behind the concept and sounds like the airy fairy sort of scheme a council officer will try and implement via a back door. I can't personally back this, I can back one that asks for a proper consultation involving all stakeholders and proper discussions around what is needed in the area that suits all.

There has been an announcement that over ?800 million has been either granted or provisionally granted to high streets to bounce back. The old Kent Road, an area that was earmarked for massive regeneration and house building, received ?9.6 million. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/830-million-funding-boost-for-high-streets Is this the right area for Southwark to be focusing on now that the additional funding from the tube expansion has evaporated ? Or should they have looked at diverting the funds towards struggling town centres like Peckham that are crying our for improvements in facilities ?

Bicknell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thats the problem with whats going on in Dulwich. > No data. Just strong opinions. Agreed a consultation is desperately required but I fear the council and pro campaigners don't want one as it could be very telling. Otto2 from experience a vast number of people who are elderly , disabled and so on can't cycle so we are going to have to agree to disagree here.