Spartacus

I wonder what would be happening if privatisation of the energy sector didn't occur and we were all on British gas and London Electricity as there was no option or competition by other companies. Would the government be forced to bail them both out ?

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh my....Richard Leeming....very undignified > responses on this thread. > > https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/143772366 > 8734435333?s=19 Obviously he's read "how to make friends and influence your enemies" 😆 As a councillor he really should be held to account for his social media posts and actions as they, whilst on his account, do reflect on the council. Wonder how he would feel if traffic was diverted to outside his home ?

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Each of the Streetspace measures was rejected by > two out of three people living and working in the > three Dulwich LTNs, who opted for ?return it to > the original state?. > > Look I'm no apologist for the council who I know > have heavily spun their presentation of the data > but surely this is factually incorrect. > > Each of the Streetspace measures was rejected by > two out of three people, who responded to a > survey, living and working in the three Dulwich > LTNs, who opted for ?return it to the original > state?. > > We don't know how many people are classified as > living and working in the three Dulwich LTNs but > we do know that the consultation newsletter was > posted to 19,729 addresses and of the survey > respondents 5,538 classified themselves as living > and working in the three Dulwich LTNs. > > Source: > https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s1015 > 17/Appendix%20D%20-%20Dulwich%20Review%20Consultat > ion%20Report.pdf That's democracy in action for you Bit like saying after an election, "but not everyone voted for 'the monster raving loony party*' !" doesn't matter as those that did bother to vote are only the ones who count. If others didn't respond to the survey then their voices are lost and you can't try to retrospectively say but they do / don't agree. Of those that 'bothered' to respond 65% said remove the LTNs and as in life regarding those who didn't respond we can't make assumptions for them but we can say their views don't add to the argument as they didn't say anything. *other political parties are also available

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > OD should go after their seats. One Direction ? They're good, but maybe not that good 😂

Does anyone know if the organisations against the LTNs including Dulwich Alliance, One Dulwich or the Dulwich Traders have put together a boilerplate email to send to the council in response to all of this? Obviously the more objections that are received by the council can only be good as they add more weight on the decision process.

Siduhe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Any excuse... > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNLQ-SGWwAA41dA?format=jpg&name=small We so need a like button on the forum

The first rule about LTN fight club is ... 😱😂

Also p3girl put your objections into the proposed scheme: Email your response on the published report to [email protected] by the 27th September

Actually Dulvilleres, the council can get rid of them however they have to justify why to Grant Shapps and if not backed up by local consultation evidence, then they face loosing future funding for such schemes. Overall the consultation asked for the schemes to be removed and the council have their fingers in their ears saying "LA LA LA can't hear you" It's not a case of can't, it's more of a case of shan't !

Interesting dulvilleres On June the 7th (your last post) said "As to where anti LTN support comes from, and how deep it is, I hope the consultation will shed some further light. What has dogged constructive debate around this divisive issue has been hard data. Even allowing for the fact that some people feel the consultation has limitations in it's terms of reference, it will still probably offer up some comprehensive insights for everyone." Now the hard data about where the anti LTN support and how deep it is (basically the whole area) you now try and say that the consultation is in fact a fair representative of the views of local residents. It's not.

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rockets Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The residents of Dulwich have spoken...Keeping > the DV > > measures on the basis of weak support on Court > > Lane and Calton is another very dangerous > > precedent for them to set. > > It's complete nonsense that "the residents of > Dulwich" all want rid of the scheme and that there > is only weak support only on Court Lane and Calton > Ave. This thread is a echo chamber that is not > representative of the outside world. Read the data behind the report. Over 65% of respondents said they want the schemes removed. That comes directly from the real world, not the EDF Yes, true, it doesn't represent every resident of the SE22 postcode zone, but as in all things you either speak up or you put up with what the majority of those who respond said. So no echo chamber DKHB, but consulted on fact.

The paper version of the update just came through my door. Page 2 bottom right reads "A majority of respondents said they would like to see changes to the current measures." How is it that in the data presented by the council the majority wanted to see the measures removed yet the summary provided doesn't mention that once. There's spin and there's downright lies Email your response on the published report to [email protected] by the 27th September to object to this overall sham of a consultation.

Maybe, like in game of thrones, we should make all the council officers and councillors involved in this proposal walk naked through the streets of Dulwich whilst the crowds chant "shame" But that is too horrific a vision for delicate eyes 😱😖

From reading the summary of the survey, they are spinning the rationale of keeping 'the square because the residents of the two roads directly connected to it want to retain it despite the overall majority of responses asking for it to be removed Could just be my reading of the report but seems the richer residents want quieter streets. Did the traders from East Dulwich and the village have their views represented in the documents ? There were, I believe, meetings and a written response but I couldn't see any feedback in the documents produced by the council. I guess the next steps are for residents and businesses to formally object to the proposals

Am I reading this right, the council are proposing to keep "the square" despite all the objections? https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/dulwich-review?chapter=2 Roll on May when we can vote

Clive Sinclair , the father of the zx spectrum

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To me this seems like a very sensible use of LTNs > and I can see the justification and rationale for > keeping them. > > BBC News - Covent Garden and St John's Wood to > continue al fresco dining > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58583 > 771 In situations like the one in the article, I agree it's a bit like the road closure over at Northcote Road in Clapham where it's closed at weekends to make it safe to use the market. But closing a junction in Dulwich village isn't quite the same league 😂

I believe that more officers are being added to the Safer Neighbourhood Teams as they are recruited. Each new officer of the thousand plus being recruited in London will spend 6 months on a SNT then rotate through other roles and after 2 years they will be able to choose which discipline to be deployed to and borough commanders are encouraging them to be ward officers. It doesn't quite help with the issues experienced at the moment but it may in the future For the moment badger your local SNT officers to increase patrols and bobbies on the beat as that's the best way to see them our there.

Bic Basher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've finally got a week's worth of post today. But which weeks worth ?

The description of the "traffic officer" seems to be like this gentleman. 😱

Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently I don't have any manners. I've got an album from Bad Manners, will that satisfy NorthernMonkeys comment that you have zero manners ? It's amazing how quickly people on here tackle the person (poster) and not ball (argument) when they are called out. Wait for DC to chime in that you've insulted them (I've had it a few times) Is this the rear guard action of a failing group of activists? Can we just have a sensible debate over an issue that has such wide effects on so many and not resort to name calling like 5 year olds in the playground ?

Maybe, after reading the past 3 pages about the protest (will to live left half way through) we could use the so called 'Dulwich Square' as a Battle Royale type arena with a chosen pro and anti representative battling it out to the death over if the closure stays or goes. Usual fight club rules apply 😉 Might be a fitting use of it after all.

Looks like a good turnout and possibly the most use the so called "Dulwich Square" has ever seen.

Maybe suggest it to Sadiq, I'm sure he will fund one with his picture on as a vanity project to fly from every bus and train proclaiming every trip is important to him and TfL

Yesterday I was alerted to a hospital appointment (for yesterday) when I had a call saying they had to move it. I enquired how they informed me of the original appointment and a letter was sent out 3 weeks ago. The backlog at the sorting office is now causing knock on effects to a wider group of institutions and people. What's the solution and how are they going to clear the backlog or is this now the new norm ?