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Some more memories that i can recall of East Dulwich (just for posterity of course), Brixton Riots and all the shops boarding up because of a march by the skinheads nearby, PC George Hammond who was stabbed and later died (not from his wounds) in the newsagent that was close to the corner of LL near frogley road.


What happened to the fairs they had in goose green, and dulwich county fair where has that gone?!?.


Mr Stevens of Heber Primary School an amazing head who guided and helped alot of the kids in East Dulwich. The fire at either Bonnies or le chardon, we lived behind that on Nutfield Road and my dad went over the back of our garden to help rescue a guy who was on the second floor fire escape.


White Swan chinese restaurant (now chopstick) great guy, very small and his son was over 6ft.


The Magdala, crims in one bar, cops in the other. Honest!


And the landlord of the EDT, I forget his name, but during the early 90's he turned the place around and made it into a place that normal people could frequent.


I worked at the fruit and veg shop on N Cross road in the 80's too god rest Pat who worked there, I'm sure if you go to the Irish Centre you know who i mean.

halfpint Wrote:

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PC George Hammond

who was stabbed and later died (not from his wounds) in the newsagent that was close to the corner of LL near frogley road.



Ithink you'll find that your memories are a little bit clouded as that was a differen "LL"

It was a sweet shop not a newsagents. George was very seriously stabbed indeed - by a seventeen year old as I recall - and spent many months in King's in intensive care. His kidney function was irretrievably damaged and he had to have a renal transplant after a lengthy period on dialysis.
lilolil Wrote:

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> I am pretty sure he was stabbed in Lordship

> Lane......


yes unless I'm really mistaken that's Lorrdship Lane north london



edit: I could be wrong, am I thinking of the wrong one

Frisco Wrote:

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> "yes unless I'm really mistaken that's Lorrdship

> Lane north london"

>

> Yes, you are really mistaken, it was Lordship

> Lane, East Dulwich, SE22.



Yes, yes I know as I've stated two posts up!

George Hammond was a popular local Bobby and was well known and loved by all who attended the East Dulwich Community Centre (known in those days as Alleyn Community Centre). There were local fund raising events to purchase a scanner for Kings. George was stabbed in 1985 - I remember the time as being part of the Community Centre, Les Reid ( now long departed) and I were responsible for the social events and we had a fund raising night in February 1986 and raised almost a ?1000 for the scanner . Remember the date well as I had to apply for a drinks licence at Camberwell Court and when they saw I was 8 months pregnant - magistrate asked one or two questions and rushed me out. I had my daughter 2 weeks prior to the fundrasing night and she slept in her pram in the centre's office. George went to live in Forest Hill - Honor Oak Rise I think it was, where he died some years later.

philiphenslowe Wrote:

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Or John Galliano's mum

> dancing as she served lunch at St Anthony's

> School?



When did John Galliano's mum serve lunch at St Anthony's?


I lived on Upland Road for years as a child and would spend HOURS looking out the window waiting for the Lady in White to walk past, I always wondered what she was doing on my street. Then she vanished!


I wonder where she is now...

halfpint Wrote:

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> the bakers on LL near the police station that would sell you yesterdays cakes for pennies.


Think that was Ayres Bakers, they had about 4 shops between the Goose Green end of Lordship Lane, and Forest Hill. My sister had her first Saturday job there.


> the video shop in the same area that would do pirate videos under the counter if you knew them well enough.


I used to get the same service from the old video shop by the roundabout, is that the one you mean?

re PC George Hammond - this extract from Hansard from 5 February 1996 is relevant and appropriate.


Ms Tessa Jowell (Dulwich): Will the Home Secretary join me in paying tribute to PC George Hammond, who died recently? PC Hammond was seriously injured 11 years ago in circumstances similar to those that the right hon. and learned Gentleman has described. Despite his incapacity - the officer suffered from kidney failure and other injuries arising directly from the attack - he fought for the retention of the kidney unit at Dulwich hospital. After his retirement from the police, PC Hammond continued to show the spirit that he had shown in devoting himself so selflessly and courageously to serving the residents of Dulwich.


Mr. Howard: I am very glad to join the hon. Lady in that tribute. That was a particularly sad case, and she is right to raise it.


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199596/cmhansrd/vo960205/debtext/60205-10.htm#60205-10_spnew1

lilolil Wrote:

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> The bakers in LL were called PLACE Bakers. The

> brothers lived in the two houses up opposite Court

> Lane.



Jock Place used to drink in The Castle in CPR. He and his brother had a collection of vintage motobikes. The two houses in LL opposite Court lane had a workshop and garages behind where they kept the bikes. I often saw one of their sons at the Woodhouse having riden one of the bikes up there. They were very nice people and mad about motorbikes.

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