Do you want Controlled Parking YES or NO

[almost peckham]

Queenmab wrote:

"Nooooo. One of the reasons I used to like East Dulwich when I lived in Herne Hill was because it was easy to get to and park briefly for shopping or lunch etc."

I'm assuming you are able-bodied, Mab, but you were in the habit of driving from HH to ED? Really? Surely this is the sort of car use that most agree we should be trying to discourage. 37 bus? Walking?

[Jennys]

DulwichLondoner Wrote:

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> I remember that somewhere near Streatham ? the

> South Circular there are a few roads with no

> access signs, except for access, in force from

> 10pm till 8am, or something like that. I have no

> idea if it?s really enforced, nor how (cameras

> check if cars leave the area?); if I were to guess

> I?d say it?s not. But the concept is at least more

> reasonable, because it tries to grant residents

less noise at night, ie at a time when the main

> roads are less likely to be congested. I don?t

> remember exactly where because I ended up there by

> mistake, after a few wrong turns.

I seem to remember this was introduced because sex workers were operating there and there were many clients in cars coming along, curb crawling, which local residents wanted to discourage.

[janepinkcat]

YES I do want a CPZ. We live on Tell Grove and are constantly forced to park streets away from our house due to commuters leaving their cars all day, while they go to east Dulwich station, or drop kids at nursery then go to work. We're only asking for a two hour CPZ during the day, people can still park if they need to for shops etc, although if you're local you could walk.

[singalto]

The discussion is about parking problems so how would filtered permeability help?

[bonaome]

janepinkcat Wrote:

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> YES I do want a CPZ. We live on Tell Grove and

> are constantly forced to park streets away from

> our house due to commuters leaving their cars all

> day, while they go to east Dulwich station, or

> drop kids at nursery then go to work. We're only

> asking for a two hour CPZ during the day, people

> can still park if they need to for shops etc,

> although if you're local you could walk.

I don't think people drive to East Dulwich to commute from the train station. I think people commute to East Dulwich to work in the offices, shops and schools. I think the last time a CPZ was discussed the cars parking near the station were reported to be there after 8;30 and gone by 5:30.

[DulwichLondoner]

almost peckham Wrote:

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> I'm assuming you are able-bodied, Mab, but you

> were in the habit of driving from HH to ED?

> Really? Surely this is the sort of car use that

> most agree we should be trying to discourage. 37

> bus? Walking?

Can't answer for the other poster, but what I can say is that either I have been unrepresentatively unlucky, or the 37 is one of the worst bus services I have ever experienced in the whole capital. I'd never consider driving from ED to Dulwich park or to Forest Hill (unless I need to carry heavy loads) because there are many, frequent buses. Not so to Herne Hill / Brixton. The number of times I waited 20+ minutes... Oh, and if you're with a pram, and can't get on because there's no room for prams, you have to wait 15-20 more minutes.

I do walk all the way from ED to Herne Hill and beyond when walking is what I want to do. But there are lots of situations where driving would make perfect sense, even if it would anger the tree-hugging, organic-kale-juice-drinking and cycling-friendly community, e.g. a trip to the meal/shops on Lordship lane + a big shopping at the Sainsbury's on Dog Kennel Hill.

My experience as a pram-pushing parent is that most people who either have no children or have teenagers or grown ups have no idea, or forgot, how hard it can be to use public transport with a small kid.

[James Barber]

Hi bonamoe,

I really couldn't see that in study report from the last formal consultation -http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s25648/Grove%20Vale%20CPZ%20-%20Consultation%20Report.pdf

Can you tell me where/who stated this please?

[monica]

Hi James

Are the residents of Elsie Rd, Melbourne grove and the roads adjacent to the station, asking for the CPZ?

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi monica,

> Come canvassing with me and tell me that their

> isn't significant demand for controlled parking.

> This is not something I have resurrected. This s

> something that has un prompted been raised not he

> doorsteps of East Dulwich. Hence the TEMPERATURE

> check to see if fundamentally views have changed

> or whether we're only hearing form people bothered

> by parking stress and not from perhaps many who

> are silent. If I had an axe to grind I really

> would not be presenting this survey in this way.

> It would rather be a petition.

>

> And yes I have highlighted that it could damage

> businesses or could aid businesses and the 22% on

> average of their custom who drive to the area.

> Businesses near to the station it would likely

> create parking opportunities during the day

> currently occupied by commuters. I've linked

> several times to a study of shopping habits to

> show people where the 22% comes from and I've also

> highlighted the risk this may pose to struggling

> businesses. I am attempting to be as open and

> transparent as possible.

[Lynne]

Yes

[DulwichLondoner]

James, what would be the best way to collect some data on parking? I ask because different people will have different "impressions", and will tend to think their "impressions" are representative. Traffic flow can be measured by those cables installed on the roads, but parking spaces? There probably isn't much that can be done - I very much doubt it's feasible to get someone to monitor them reliably.

[James Barber]

Hi DuliwhcLondoner,

The classic way is to record all numbers place by location and time slot for a weekday and a at the weekend.

With number plates you can then find out the home postcode to postcode area to see if local or not.

I was planning to ask if the council had this from the last CPZ study that wasn't written up into the report. Someone earlier in the thread suggested officers had stated it was local East Dulwich commuting and not out of area commuting.

[DulwichLondoner]

Thanks for the clarification.

[monica]

MMM ok, lets get a CPZ because the residents in the roads by the station are fed up with commuters parking up on their roads. Thats fair isn't it!!!!!!!!!

Seriously

[spider69]

"stoo31, We the local retailers chat with each other, we have a real community of retailers, who like to discuss local issues with each other. When Southwark council threatened to fine us for "blocking the main thoroughfare" about 4 years ago, we did our own research, looked at the boundaries on our deeds, which confirmed the private land in front of the shops belonged to the retail outlets.

Hopefully that has satisfied your curiosity. smiling smiley"

It does read that you do not appear to look out for local residents but are only concerned that people cannot visit and spend in your shops.

[monica]

Spider69

Why are you taking my post from another thread and quoting it here. It?s 2 different posts.

Are you confused ?????

[spider69]

No not confused just pointing out that your concern is business and I am sure that discussing local issues would cover the outcome of a CPZ for local businesses and not so much for the residents parking issues.

So stopping any CPZ would be a priority.

[monica]

Spider69 I am very flattered you are taking a lot of your own personal time to read my posts, however I am slightly hurt, that you assume I want a CPZ??? I don?t want a cpz, you may be confused re my last thread. I was being sarcastic.

Hope that?s clarified this issue.

I have also posted a recommendation, would you like to integrate that into this thread. 😁

[wayne10]

The fact that the James and the Lib Dems are obviously collecting data to use politically under the guise of an innocent parking survey does not surprise me one bit. A few years ago after emailing him just once I started getting emails from both the London Lib Dems and the national party. When I contacted them and said I had never subscribed or asked to join their email list and the only way they could have it is if James had passed it to them without my permission they said well I must have signed a petition at some point. I deliberately never give my email in anything I sign but it does show their attitude that they regard such things are fair game. It made me question their ethics and any respect I had for them. To add insult to injury I found I could not unsubscribe from their wretched emails and only managed too after contacting their Press Office.I do respect James and his commitment and hard work to our area but this data collecting exercise is at best Ill judged.

- Good point.

[James Barber]

Hi wayne10,

I've apologised for this before and still regret that it was not a single click to unsubscribe that time.

I've made it clear that I'm not using data from this survey until after the election. I am so busy door knocking every evening and weekend I've not the time to review it. I hope to email those that provided an email address with the results so far and post them here and post them out to those who have not provided an email address around the 7-9 May.

[colville09]

James, wayne10 was reposting my earlier post and only added his comment of 'good point'. You passed over and ignored my original post and certainly never apologised. Actually you are doing it again by apologising for it not being simple to unsubscribe. The important point was you harvested and passed on my email without my permission on that occasion. With respect why can't you see that

[Mscrawthew]

So James, will your "data" be reflective of 9 out 10 answers were no to a cpz? How on earth can one question be classed as a survey?

[bonaome]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi DuliwhcLondoner,

> The classic way is to record all numbers place by

> location and time slot for a weekday and a at the

> weekend.

> With number plates you can then find out the home

> postcode to postcode area to see if local or not.

> I was planning to ask if the council had this from

> the last CPZ study that wasn't written up into the

> report. Someone earlier in the thread suggested

> officers had stated it was local East Dulwich

> commuting and not out of area commuting.

It wasn?t in the published data, it was from the discussion here on the forum from people on the effected streets observing when cars were arriving and leaving. Be great to know if they do have actual data from the study - although I think the study only covered a very small number of streets.

[Ontherun]

James Barber wrote "I've made it clear that I'm not using data from this survey until after the election. I am so busy door knocking every evening and weekend I've not the time to review it. I hope to email those that provided an email address with the results so far and post them here and post them out to those who have not provided an email address around the 7-9 May"

I (naively) completed the CPZ survey but left the voting preference question blank. A few days later Mr Barber called round asking who we planned to vote for.

[EPB]

I was prepared to overlook/forgive the data-harvesting issue until I read ?I'm not using data from this survey until after the election?

How to lose a vote in four small words ....

[DulwichLondoner]

To be fair, I don't find it exactly shocking that a local politician might use data from a survey to contact potential voters. I don't see anything wrong with that. We can opt out. Or we can refuse to fill in the survey in the first place.

I think we should also interpret things in context. James is a local councillor. AFAIK councillors typically do not receive a salary, only some allowances or expenses reimbursement. Being a councillor is certainly not a get-rich-quick scheme; for this very reason, many councillors do this out of a sense of duty and a motivation which is harder to find in countries where these positions are relatively well paid.

Oh, and as far as I remember most of Southwark has historically been a Labour stronghold; it's not like a survey will propel James to who-knows-what levels of internal power within the Lib Dems.

So I actually think that he is genuinely interested in East Dulwich, and that there are no sinister motives behind this survey.