Lordship lane shop gossip (lounged)

[SeanMacGabhann]

hardly in the same league... I've eaten from Speedo but I'd be hard pressed to tell it from the zillion other franchises operating

[MrBen]

Yep far less of a loss.

Question: if I bought it, fitted it out nicely, did a partnership deal with the Gowlett, called it Gowlettini, fresh rocket and tomato salads, Peroni beers, stone fired Gowlett style pizzas delivered quickly, small chilli oil for free.

Sit in area....too

Would you buy it?

[Louisa]

No.

Louisa.

[RosieH]

Gowlett pizzas, yes, without a doubt.

[Louisa]

It's a pub for christs sake, if you want a bloody pizza go to the supermarket, jesus christ.

Louisa.

[SeanMacGabhann]

rosie = yes

louisa = no

now... how do I choose?

[RosieH]

Louisa Wrote:

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> It's a pub for christs sake, if you want a bloody

> pizza go to the supermarket, jesus christ.

>

> Louisa.

Now Louisa, I don't want to get into a whole my tastebuds are better than yours thing, but supermarket v. Gowlett pizza (or indeed any decent pizzeria) no comparison. For a similar crispy yet chewy base, I could of course make it myself, and occasionally do. But on other occasions, just don't have time or can't be arsed to let the dough prove.

Surely if you want a pizza you should go to somewhere that sells pizzas, or are you now advocating that no one eats out?

(come over here Sean, the pizza's delicious...)

[MrBen]

Suffice to say this is gourmet middle class friendly pizza we are talking about here!

And I think that's 2-1 for my Gowlettini concept so far.

Anyone else? Ice cold peroni's, fresh salads and Gowlett pizza's delivered to your door. Come on...it's a f****ing genius idea.

[espelli]

It is a genius idea MrBen. I'm in. I love The Gowlett's pizzas.

[SeanMacGabhann]

The sitting-down bit would depend on what it's like (how much ambience is possible there?) but quality pizzas & peroni? For sure.

(and I can't believe* Louisa is pushing a "supermarket pizzas are as good as Gowlett/Any decent pizza place" line.)

* By can't believe I, of course mean, am collecting my ?100 bet from Betfred tomorrow that she would come up with such an obvious line. There are two possibilities.

1) she believe her arguments. ie Supermarket pizza is interchangable with decent dough and toppings. In which case she is a mentalist

2) She doesn't really believe it, but is having what is cutely known as "a laugh". Which still makes her a mentalist. But also a fookwit to boot

[Louisa]

Pizza is a bit of bread with some tomato sauce melted cheese and some other fillings on top, in other words cheese on toast with a few other bits on. Anyone who spends 15 to 20 quid on a take out pizza must be a nutter in my opinion, you can buy a frozen pizza or indeed make it yourself at home from scratch for less than a fiver so please dont push the line "pizza like everything else in ED needs to be at least 20 quid before you can satisfy your tastebuds", what a load of b*llocks! It's a PIZZA, in Italy these things are eaten as a snack like we eat sausage rolls (;-))

The Gowlett used to be a bloody decent pub and now they sell pizza? WTF?

Louisa.

[dc]

I think I can help. I can (not very exclusively because it's been mentioned before on the EDF) reveal a source of fresh, cheap pizza for rather less than '15 to 20 quid' - it hits the 'less than a fiver' mark in fact - ?4 for the basic to a max less than ?6. All ingredients organic, cooked at 500 degrees C in a wood fired oven with a sour dough base raised for 20+ hours. No frills (puddings, starters etc), it's not open in the evening and they certainly don't deliver.

It's as tasty as you can get this side of the Tyrrhenian Sea (and most of the other side). Sadly not in ED, but in Brixton - Franco Manca in the market. But please stay away - especially on Fridays when I usually go - because it's far too busy already.

I want something very like it here now. Please. Maybe in the space vacated by Hisar.... (and evening opening would be much appreciated). Thank you.

[Jeremy]

Louisa, I'm sure pizzas at the Gowlett cost nowhere near ?15. Not many pizzas would cost that much (maybe the huge ones from Basilico perhaps). A frozen supermarket pizza is unrecognisable from a proper pizza you'd get in Italy, or even a decent pizzeria in London. I can't believe you honestly think it's the same thing.

btw, maybe you could explain what's so wrong with wanting a bit of simple food to eat while you're drinking? It means you don't have to cook before you go out, it's cheaper and less formal than a restaurant, and it means the pub makes enough money to pay the bills. Everyone wins. Do you really enjoy a pub less because a couple of people are eating food?

[Asset]

Yes, I went there [franco manca] recently after Marmora's recommendation a while ago. It was very good and the glasses of very drinkable plonky red wine at ?1.20 each went down well too!

edited for clarity

[Michael Palaeologus]

You can dismiss a pub because they sell pizza Louisa! Given your above statement, you presumably would deride a pub that sold sausage rolls, ham sandiwches, pork scratchings or any other pig derived product.

Clearly your preferred option would be a traditional pub with the ladies confined to a well partitioned snug.

[Keef]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> hardly in the same league... I've eaten from Speedo but I'd be hard pressed to tell it from the zillion other franchises operating

So if they shut down and lose their jobs, who cares!

Sorry, but Grrr!!!!!!!!

Have to say, I do like the idea of a good pizza place though.

Oh, and a recommendation, if yo fancy a really unhealthy, but better than the average take away pizza place pizza, give Mammas Pizza in Forest Hill a go. They are the dog's!

[Cassius]

But don't forget folks that eating out is a nasty disgusting middle class habit - how dare we want to sit down and relax in front of a meal that we haven't bought ourselves from Iceland.

[SeanMacGabhann]

keef - don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about people's jobs. With businesses going bust left right and centre I'm assuming that it's a given that I think it's a shame anyone loses a job

But in terms of what most of the pizza delivery places offer - they are interchangable. And they operate out of 10 square feet. Wheras Hisar is a huge restauarnt that offers something nowhere else in the area does

But I will try Mammas

[Keef]

Get the BBQ Sauce.

If someone is going to buy Hizar, I'd like it to be the Dish Dash guys from Balham, that place is great IMO.

[Brendan]

Ladies and gentlemen, this week?s addition to Louisa?s List of Sinister Middleclass Iconography: Pizza.

It?s as bad as a sausage roll from a retailer other than Gregs but is also available in pubs.

[meat&potatoes]

i thought the only sold coke, silly me

[SeanMacGabhann]

man walks into a bar

no-one knows who he is

man starts slagging 2 other bars off

agenda?

[Keef]

I'm kind of with him on The Rye, so long as he doesn't start bigging up the Bish! ;-)

[tommy]

The American Hot (with extra chilli oil of course) cost ?7 at the Gowlett - very reasonable seeing that its not much more than a shop bought one

I'd like a Bodeans if Hisar was to go (do love the Mixed Grill though)

[Horsebox]

tommy Wrote:

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> I'd like a Bodeans.

This. I'm sucker for their excellent meat platters, cold Sam Adams beer and large screens showing the NFL.

Although, Cla*ham has a Bodeans...first Oliver Bonas, then Adventure Bar and now Bodeans.

It's a slippery slope I tells yer.