KidKruger

At least you know where you stand now, and have so far maintained safety/know that you'll be able to continue to do so. Perhaps not surprising that he expected to be able to come / go whenever. People do seem to park the need for maintaining measures when it doesn't align with their social or other preferences !

no it wasn't.

On CP Road signs been up and down a bit today.

car's not been there for several nights now, so hopefully the situation improved (or they moved having read the EDF !).

I'm getting post but it's just bills, debt agencies and re-calculations of falling pensions. Rubbish service.

this is what you're paying extra for, right ?

I get what you're saying JohnL, but I feel there's a difference between some of the most difficult science in the history of mankind, and moral discussion. Don't you ?! JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- But all academic subjects are a bit like that - I > can't argue Einsteins General Theory of Relativity > is wrong to scientists even though I know it is > because all science is wrong (it'll be improved on > eventually) without learning the jargon and > received wisdom first.

Setting boundaries on subjects people can and cannot talk about is just another form of control. Trump is doing it right now. It's a win-win; you create your own privileged (yes, I used that word - oops !!) group through your natural 'entitlement' to speak on it because somehow YOU 'qualify' and all the while the excluded (or 'unqualified') can't interfere. Basically exclusion by other means. And that's a bit stupid, because the whole point of pushing for change means those in power have to change, but achieving that by excluding them from having their say is fantasy. So it's all a bit 'dog calling the cat hairy-arse' (all similarity between the words of this phrase and the UserID of any posters is purely coincidental). TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > KidKruger Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Cat, people love to jump on this one. > > Weirdly, in a way they wouldn't to your face. > > Well done bringing it up, there is a sense of > > "who's entitled to talk about what" on this > > subject. > > Thanks. Exactly my point. When I see people who I > know - who are smart, considered, and very > anti-racist - prostrating themselves on social > media, and suggesting they are not entitled to > talk about the issue, I just don't get it. > > I'm guessing it all started with 'listen to the > victims' which is fair...but its now morphed into > 'listen ONLY to the victims'.....

Cat, people love to jump on this one. Weirdly, in a way they wouldn't to your face. Well done bringing it up, there is a sense of "who's entitled to talk about what" on this subject.

Bit of an awkward situation WQ, ultimately it boils down to trying not to get this nasty disease which can kill and even leave those who've recovered with damaged lungs/heart/whatever (we don't actually know full story yet).

This "let's see how it goes" and "make it up as we go along" approach really winds me up. With any pandemic clear conditions for containment, release, testing, tracing, use of an app could be set waaaay in advance - you could virtually take the fundamental precepts for it off the shelf. Yet we're in this vague, moronic situation where nothing being enacted seems to relate to reality, risk to the population, or a shared effort to make the population feel protected, informed, and involved. It's as if the exact opposite impression was the objective - in which case the Govt are coming across as experts !

I'm sure a lot (most?) of the litterers are not frequent park users which unfortunately means getting the message to them (within the confines of the park) will be impossible. That's why shutting the park for a day would have limited pay-back, those visiting infrequently wouldn't notice or care, while regular users (who I'm sure are better behaved) would lose use of the park.

Ha ha - so the UK Govt has issued an app to the nation that shows a message saying "Stay Alert !". Classic British humour, that. Reggie Perrin would have been proud of that one.

I thought the sheds are commissioned for immediate local residents (local council tax payers), not commuters.

Some people don't use great grammar all the time. Fact of forums. An observation for a less grave thread, perhaps.

"..a mix of people, protesting about disgusting events in USA, as a bunch of people they were invariably too close.." If you mean what I wrote malumbu, no I'll stick with what I wrote because I've made it clear I included all present which consisted many backgrounds. If I can't call a crowd 'they' well... not going there, I'm fine as is.

true. cardboard/glass/cans account for a significant part of the trash!

foxes and squirrels have a go at the bins over night, too.

Sepiroth. So what is the subtext, please state it ? From what I saw there was a mix of people, protesting about disgusting events in USA, as a bunch of people they were invariably too close (inevitably), but with Cummings demonstrating the 'who cares' attitude it's a logical progression that people have continued and increased their trips to beach, parks and clearly felt comfortable protesting together. There's a general relaxation everywhere it seems, which I really hope doesn't play-out as 2nd wave (but that unfortunately seems inevitable). Agreed, BAME infection levels are nowt to do with gatherings like the protest and all to do with social / living conditions. Having said that, gathering such as yesterday will spread the virus if it's possible to. obvs.

I'm already doing that with other people's dog shit, almost daily !

Can the Southwark website provide that integer ?

What BNG said. Carry in, carry OUT - what's so complicated ? Leave no trace. No excuse for doing otherwise. Lazy, self-entitled, park users.

True, unfortunately it won?t count for the people that just get up and leave everything where they?ve been sat. But you can?t win them all?

Also Crystal Palace Road blocked off completely to pedestrians and traffic from the junction with Whitely down to what seems to be almost as far as the actress/North Cross Road.

to be fair, that particular bun in your photo looks pretty organised (considering the trash wasn't taken home by it's owners), all stacked around the bin. But yeah, trash blowing around the park is out of order. rachp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I went to Peckham Rye this evening for a atroll > and was shocked by the amount of large groups and > rubbish, it was like a festival. How that can be > allowed to continue is beyond me. Every bin I saw > looked something like the one in the attached > picture- and the rubbish was blowing everywhere. I > cannot imagine what is like for the poor people > clearing it up, they must have their work cut > out..