Spartacus

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > I actually think it's spreading fast due to how > > people behave, no matter what government rule > is > > put in, by any government, people won't follow > it > > and the virus goes "that'll do nicely thanks" > > > > That's Government responsibility to persuade and > cajole and threaten and the rest. > > They should do it all. Ah So are you going to suggest that we should be under a dictatorship or similar where free will is illegal ? Sadly that's the only way that covid deniers and others who don't want to follow the rules can be managed. Look at other countries where they've implemented curfews (France for example) and other measures, short of them adopting China's or North Korea's dictatorship, people still don't follow rules and numbers go up...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "GPs up and down the country are desperate to > start vaccinating their patients - yet cannot, > because *even while* @BorisJohnson talks the talk > about huge vaccine roll out, his government has > failed to supply these practices with *any* doses. > It?s sheer dishonesty & incompetence. > > 96785664" Is what you posted yet the tweet itself said "Covid vaccination- from the front line. My group of practices was initially told we would get our first delivery on 28th december. Then 4th jan. Then 11th jan. Now we are ?6th wave? and it will be 13th, 14th or 15th jan. We are raring to go, but have no vaccines. WHY?" You can see why your post looks like spin to me 😱 As for blaming any government , I don't, apart from the Chinese one that is for not containing Covid in the first instance. I actually think it's spreading fast due to how people behave, no matter what government rule is put in, by any government, people won't follow it and the virus goes "that'll do nicely thanks" So telling me how I would react when I was asking you how you would react is actually a classic case of you projecting on me. 😏

The tweet in itself is a valid point from a single GP practice, but then you spun it to try and show that supply logistics of getting the vaccine that had only just been approved are down to the government and not possibly down to production issues After all it's not like millions of doses are sitting on shelves like toilet rolls is it ? I wonder if Jezza had won the past election and hypothtically we were in exactly the same situation, would you still be blaming a labour government or looking at other reasons ?

Ah The joys of social media being used as gospel Praise the great God twitter for it is always right and accurate. Especially when someone says something I agree with but it's the devils workhorse when someone says something I disagree with.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Finally...after many decades since the movie's > release, and many false claims, we find out that > spartacus is actually Bob Dylan.... Thecat is out of the bag his mind

And let's not forget licorice Best advert I've ever seen, just an off tan page with the word licorice written on it. Made me want to know more and where it was 😃

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's not relevant to the subject under discussion The relevance is that like a lot of threads on here, this discussion has just become a rambling whinge fest. So I count how fortunate I am in different ways to you.

Exactly KK So count your blessings that all that happened in either 6 days or over a few million years depending on your beliefs 😆

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the thread was started to say how lucky the UK was > to not be in the EU > > Not sure what North Korea has to do with anything It's to do with the fact that in the EDF we have freedom of speech On the North Korea Forum, they won't Light bulb gone on yet ?

We are indeed very fortunate We can all, without fear of imprisonment or prosecution, criticize our government and air our views. We are free to make our own decisions about if we adhere to policies designed to keep us safe and if we don't and infection rates go up, we can then moan with out recriminations that not enough was done to enforce said policies. But most of all, by posting on here we demonstrate that we are alive and not a covid statistic in the "sadly" section of the news... I count my blessings daily and can just imagine the joys of the North Korea Forum posts ("our leader is glorious , we are fortunate")

In a few short days, we are going to need a new thread that Trumps this one I guess we will need to Biden our time till it happens!

Thanks Sue Pretty much as expected although the mad idea of people going out to stand in a queue and collect mail at the moment seems a recipe for spreading covid .. I wonder how many hospital appointments / test results or other important letters are stuck in the sorting office? Whilst the covid situation is understandable and sad, there needs to be alternative solutions to clear the backlog before we get a mountain of post and no hope of getting to the bottom of it.

Are you talking wooden or metal / plastic ones? The latter could explain the mystery (and if it wasn't for those meddling kids we would all have gotten away with it)

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I usually go to bed around 2-3am, so BAU for me as > far as staying-up goes. > Bed by 12 would feel like I?ve been naughty. > Since having kids, going out for a big one on NYE > is a bit of an ex-pastime anyway ! Oh but you have been so so very naughty KK , I'm surprised if Santa left you any presents this year.😃 There are photos somewhere to prove it 😱

The petition is too vague around how the permit scheme should work and we all know Southwark council, give them an inch and they will take a mile of road away ...

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh for the days when postmen/women were seen on > your street posting letters through people?s > doors. > > Do they still exist? They went the same way as the milkman 😱

Bicknell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A link to the e-petition - no to 24/7 closures, > Yes to permits. I 'd be happy if just ambulances > allowed through. Others might disagree. its about > getting the council to agree there might be other, > fairer solutions. > http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDispl > ay.aspx?ID=500000057&RPID=774265785&HPID=774265785 Can anyone explain how this will work as its short of details? Is it area wide CPZ that ED rejected recently ? Is it permits to drive for locals , excluding visitors and friends from coming to the area ? Why area wide, the problem isn't area wide ? What happens if a London wide road pricing scheme comes in, will we have to pay twice ? Too little detail behind the concept and sounds like the airy fairy sort of scheme a council officer will try and implement via a back door. I can't personally back this, I can back one that asks for a proper consultation involving all stakeholders and proper discussions around what is needed in the area that suits all.

There has been an announcement that over ?800 million has been either granted or provisionally granted to high streets to bounce back. The old Kent Road, an area that was earmarked for massive regeneration and house building, received ?9.6 million. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/830-million-funding-boost-for-high-streets Is this the right area for Southwark to be focusing on now that the additional funding from the tube expansion has evaporated ? Or should they have looked at diverting the funds towards struggling town centres like Peckham that are crying our for improvements in facilities ?

Bicknell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thats the problem with whats going on in Dulwich. > No data. Just strong opinions. Agreed a consultation is desperately required but I fear the council and pro campaigners don't want one as it could be very telling. Otto2 from experience a vast number of people who are elderly , disabled and so on can't cycle so we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

DC I'm not discussing the able bodied but here you have brought them in by assumed that they all act the same, bit disrespectful to be honest and without a proper consultation your view is just that and possibly based on studies that don't represent this area. If you look at what I am saying, it's that the pro group aren't really showing empathy towards those less able to cycle and walk. Otto2 without knowing others circumstances then I find it uncomfortable that you are assuming people speak for others without first hand knowledge of them, I'm pleased that you condition allows you to use a cycle but elderly , wheel chair users, and so on can't... however you seem to be talking for them here 😱. Again without a proper consultation no one knows how these schemes disadvantage people and what percentage of the local population are restricted by them going forward. Will be interesting if a disabled person sues a council for discrimination by removing access to facilities they had before (restricted or no access through LTNs). I suspect that whilst it won't be a quick win, they possibly will win.

DC divisive to the pro lobby but a necessary eye opener from those less able to walk or cycle don't you agree? Not everyone is able to utilise these "no drive roads" Nxjen, I'm sorry I didn't realise I was taking to a woman, obviously I need to make it simple for you as you accused me of mansplaining without knowing my gender 😱 (attack the ball not the person is always best, argue against what I say, don't try to discredit me as that will just dilute your point of view!) The simple problem is that no matter what % the anti lobby presents, the pro lobby will use that to say something like "Oh 2% that's not many and we can justify their disadvantage because we are fit enough to cycle." It's not a case of reading your question differently, is simply observation of how people on here will act. What is desperately needed is an honest discussion backed by real facts and pre / post monitoring, a consultation and the council listening to the majority not the few.

Don't be obtuse nxjen, no matter what percentage are effected, the question is simply what percentage are you (the generic you) personally willing to dismiss as not important enough to make a difference to the introduction or continuing use of LTNs because their journey isn't important enough. From the perspective of the elderly, those who find it difficult to walk or disabled it should be 0% but from a for young persons point it could be (say) 40% The question is designed to make the pro lobby justify the disadvantage for people who can't cycle or walk !

KK maybe it needs to be a multiple choice question to ascertain how far individuals can really walk, someone in a wheelchair for example would say 0 feet, someone on crutches maybe 100yds, a 25 Year old marathon runner would be 10 miles, however why should the wheelchair user be any less important travel wise compared to a young fit 25 Year old. It's a matter of perspective and sadly the pro closure side have little empathy or perspective on what those less able to walk go through or how it disadvantages them when a road is closed off that they would normally use to get to their favourite shops. As said, there needs to be a formal consultation with everyone and not just the council listening to voices that reinforce their point of view.

Nxjen what percentage is acceptable to you ? To someone who relies on their car because they can't walk or cycle then I expect 0% disadvantaged is the only acceptable figure yet to those who are young and fit the percentage will be higher as they won't see the struggles others will endure if the schemes stay as they are or expand. Maybe part of the consultation that everyone wants the council to do should include questions on how able are you to walk more than 50 yards to see how much it will impact people.

In answer to the question posed Today sainsburys is closed Happy Christmas East Dulwich