It's 4.30am and the heathrow flight path appears to be in use

[fabfor]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> You can look at a replay of landings and

> departures on any given day - in real time - on

> this website below. Hover over any aircraft icon

> for its altitude - move the scroll bar to speed

> the replay up.

>

> It's slightly addictive. In fact, the best thing

> is never to look at this website and just forget

> about them. The more you think about it, the more

> you hear them.

>

> http://webtrak.bksv.com/lhr

>

> (This one's for Heathrow. You can see the two

> different patterns depending on whether wind is

> from West or East - especially if you speed up the

> replay)

Also, you can simply ask, when (?) you email a complaint to Heathrow... :-)).

[fabfor]

First one (that I heard) was at 4.33 this morning.

[*Bob*]

The first one (that I heard) was at 8am this morning - just after I woke up.

I don't feel that a complaint about the 114 landings that occurred during four preceding hours would be in good faith.

Complaining about things that don't affect you is the realm of the pervert.

[fabfor]

Some interesting info from the HACAN website, :

http://www.hacan.org.uk/resources/reports/living.under.the.heathrow.flight.path.today.pdf

http://www.hacan.org.uk/

http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5432

"20% more chance of dying of stress-related diseases under Heathrow flight path". Serious!!

[MarkE]

fabfor Wrote:

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> "20% more chance of dying of stress-related

> diseases under Heathrow flight path". Serious!!

Doesn't seem like much, in context. If one previously had a 5% chance of dying of stress-related diseases, that becoming 6% (20% greater) having lived under the flight path wouldn't appear to be a huge leap at all.

[fabfor]

Quite true, MarkE. Does that mean that if, say, 5000 died previously, then the figure would rise to 6000?

[Mason]

I cannot understand why nobody complains about the flights that land in City Airport they are so much louder and the altitude is much lower.

[scotslass]

Totally agree re: City airport. I contacted them earlier this year as their flight paths now seem much lower over FH and ED

[steveo]

Lovely sunset (vapour trails) out there

[Sue]

Mason Wrote:

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> I cannot understand why nobody complains about the

> flights that land in City Airport they are so much

> louder and the altitude is much lower.

xxxxxx

Probably because most people haven't got a clue what the planes are or where they are going or how high they are flying, they just know they have woken them up and/or are preventing them from sleeping!!

[maxtedc]

I'm quite surprised to have woken up to hear aircraft this morning - clearly the big long haul flights. The winds can't be that bad after all.

[uncleglen]

Yes I mistakenly ditched the ear plugs to hear the storm and got woken up by a dratted plane!

[Michael Palaeologus]

Its 3.22am. No planes to be heard.

[grumpyoldman]

Sorry to every one if I woke you up this morning but was on a plance from Hong Kong that landed at heathrow at 4.50.

I managed to get home by 6.00 and was in work by 9.00 am

[Mason]

My gosh I wonder what you all would be like if you lived in Richmond where house prices far excel those of ED. Never hear any complaints from Brixton, Herne Hill, Clapham, Battersea, Barnes, and finally Hounslow.

[Sue]

Mason Wrote:

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> My gosh I wonder what you all would be like if you

> lived in Richmond where house prices far excel

> those of ED. Never hear any complaints from

> Brixton, Herne Hill, Clapham, Battersea, Barnes,

> and finally Hounslow.

xxxxxx

Why would you hear complaints from those places?

This is the East Dulwich Forum, for comments about this area - if those other places have forums, no doubt it's a topic for discussion on there as well!

[Herne Hill Guest]

I can confirm it's a terrible racket in Herne Hill too and not just in the morning. I get City Airport on top of all the others. Double glazing and ear plugs are the answer.

[jonno]

Significantly quieter in Forest Hill .... the planes all turn over Brockley and then descend straight over East Dulwich .... just another reason to shift to "leafy Forest Hill" as described by Phil Spencer!

[fazer71]

The aircraft noise is insane every 2 mins another droning screeching jet passes over head.

Driving me potty from 4.30 am..

I've pretty much had enough been here 40 year and never had this.

I remember lying in bed thinking how lovely and quite it is.

Not now drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone drone from 4.30 am to 11.30 pm every day except when the wind is from the west.

INSANE !

[Sue]

Yeh. Don't you miss seeing Concorde going over though? I do :(

[fabfor]

So, it looks like Heathrow or Gatwick; surprise, surprise!

For me, the elephant in the room is this: 24 HOUR FLIGHTS OVER LONDON!

But, there's always a silver lining and by the time Heathrow's expanded, I'll be either dead or deaf!

(p.s. I'm not a Boris fan but, for once, he's talking sense).

[fabfor]

So loud this morning!

[hpsaucey]

fabfor Wrote:

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> So loud this morning!

Agree! usually doesn't bother me, but the past few mornings really noticed it. And we have double glazing.

[fabfor]

This thread has gone dormant but the debate continues on "aircraft noise, have your say".

Just posting details of a meeting tomorrow:

PLANE TROUBLES/NOTES FROM THE MEETING ON 13TH MARCH 14/@ THE ASHBURNHAM ARMS

There was a really excellent turnout for the plane noise meeting on the 13th at the Ash. Input from long - term local campaigners and from from HACAN, Greenwich Society , Blackheath Society and Brockley Noise really helped in gathering local information and planning.

They confirmed local perceptions that there is indeed -

? An increase in plane traffic and disturbance over the area that has continued since the end of the Heathrow night trials in March 2013

? Greenwich is probably suffering a combined effect of noise from City and Heathrow as well as helicopter noise

With potential plans for increased traffic at Heathrow and City, this is likely to get worse - it seems this may indeed be the ideal time to start campaigning

Possible Actions

For those already concerned or those wanting to observe the situation - the HACAN website is an excellent start. www.hacan.org.uk. It also offers:

- Loads of info and reports

- a link to the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) for anyone wanting to lodge a complaint about excess numbers of flights/timing of flights/ noise level.

- The chance to sign up to the ?5 minute action ? campaign ? where you get a weekly email only with an action London wide that guarantees to take only 5 minutes

- Also, letters to the MP/councillors/local paper about your experience are always useful. Please send copies to the email below so we can start to collate a file

Local meetings are now planned to track the situation and consider campaigning. The next meeting is provisionally planned for the 29th April or 6th May @ The Ashburnham Arms (TBC).

Initially this informal local group will:

- Explore how to get co-ordinated information about flight paths from both Heathrow, City and the helicopter flights to see the true joint picture

- Aim for a joint meeting with Heathrow and City airport to discuss the cross over and related matters , perhaps linked through the London Assembly who already have plane noise on their agenda

- Link up with other action groups across SE London to co-ordinate activity and effectiveness

- Start local info gathering will be the first step so please watch this space

Lastly, ?Brockley Noise? have organised a meeting with Heathrow for next Tuesday 18th March

If you?d like to know more about why the traffic has increased since Dec 2012 this is a great source.

Venue : Howell Hall, upstairs at St. John's Church, Brockley, London SE8 4EA. (The Church next to St. Johns mainline train station). You can also follow them on Twitter. See you there.

[Jah Lush]

Do we really need two threads on the same subject?