Ron70 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Ron> > As you weren't here you won't know what you're> talking about. > > One of the biggest issues that people protested> against was the lack of planning permission. Nero> just did the work and then applied> retrospectively. Using the financial and legal> clout of a multinational they bulldozed through> local opinion.> > People were also concerned that it took money away> from the high street. A local independent run by> locals channels its profits back into the local> community. In Nero's case it simply goes to> anonymous shareholders.> > So, no, not the same as any other outlet.DC,I'm not sure why you're getting so agressive? There's a time and a place for agression and I'm not sure an Internet forum is it.In response though, regardless of the nuances of how Cafe Nero went about gaining planning permission, its still full most of the time. You might not have been happy with the way things were done, however, no one seems to care now do they. Maybe you should go and have a word?Ron 70 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Costa Coffee have no interest in ED. They've been looking at Forest Hill and Brockley station areas for some time though but are yet to find a suitable location. So fear not chain-free warriors, they're not taking on the former deli site. Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Ron I'm not being aggressive - just pointing out that it seems an odd thing to say you weren't around when something happened but then proceed to voice an opinion on it.Local feeling was very much against it. Whether people now use it is by the by. Many may be recent arrivals. Others may have not been aware of the furore. Few will be hypocrites. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They are now in Camberwell and seems popular, due to hospital employees and visitors no doubt. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanW Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I did live in ED when Nero opened but wouldn't have described it as a furore - more a storm in a coffee-cup.I've not been in there since it opened, but don't feel particularly troubled by it's presence. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Definitely a thimble shop Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanW Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 There's no such thing as a thimble shopThey would commonly be purchased from an Haberdasher's Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Tomasi Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 whoosh Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Haha.Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Local feeling was very much against it. Exaggeration.http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,5628,5737http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,9789,10014They took liberties over planning permission and people thought that was poor form, but to suggest that "local opinion" was generally (let alone very much) against it being there isn't true (or at least you've got no way of knowing if it was true unless you went on a doorstepping campaign I don't know about).Some people didn't want them there (local businesses like The Black Cherry (RIP) for example). But plenty of poeple seemed happy to have them.Plus this forum was tiny back then and can't be taken as a representation of what the people of ED were thinking at the time. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron70 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Ron > > I'm not being aggressive - just pointing out that> it seems an odd thing to say you weren't around> when something happened but then proceed to voice> an opinion on it.> > Local feeling was very much against it. > > Whether people now use it is by the by. Many may> be recent arrivals. Others may have not been aware> of the furore. Few will be hypocrites.DCAt the risk of sounding pedantic, surely you don't have to have been around when something happened to voice an opinion on it? I wasn't in Tiananmen Square in 1989 but I have an opinion on it.Ron70 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 At the risk of sounding pedantic, Ron, I would suggest equating Tiananmen Square to a Cafe Nero might be an exercise in hyperbole.Anyway, my memory seems to be going in early-middle-age as Otta has corrected me.So I respectfully retract. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 There is a touch of post hoc ergo propter hoc about Ron's observations but that's what you get for calling a coffee salon after Agrippina's lad. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron70 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> At the risk of sounding pedantic, Ron, I would> suggest equating Tiananmen Square to a Cafe Nero> might be an exercise in hyperbole.> > Anyway, my memory seems to be going in> early-middle-age as Otta has corrected me.> > So I respectfully retract.DCI'm pretty sure I didnt compare Tiananmem Sq to Cafe Nero? I'd like to have let that slide...but I couldn't. Ron70 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annasfield Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 It's definitely not going to be a food shop Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Anyway, my memory seems to be going in> early-middle-age as Otta has corrected me.> > So I respectfully retract.Just to clarify, I don't know how Nero would have faired if a poll had been taken, I'm not suggesting a majority defo wanted them, just that we don't know that a majority didn't. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebedee Tring Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 At least nobody has compared the owners of Caffe Nero to the Nazis. Not yet anyway, so Godwin's Law hasn't been invoked on this thread so far. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Neo Nero death camp swastika triple frappuccino jackboot goose step to go please Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Wrong thread. You wanted the 'Dulwich Estate modern day Robin Hood' one. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Neo Nero death camp swastika triple frappuccino> jackboot goose step to go pleaseVery good. :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I think it's going to be a competitor to Maison Dog in North Cross Road.Selling solely cat-related items :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 CatTat Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-788786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockworkorange Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Wow. Over a coffee shop. Can I just ask, at the risk of adding more froth to this hot coffee school yard scuffle, how do local shops, by contrast to the nasty multiples, pump their profits back to the local community? Never heard such toss in my life. Please enlighten me as to how local shops for local people are so charitable? Surely they're businesses there to make profit, just like the neros of this world? I've not met a successful retailer that runs their business for the good of the community although I have worked with big nationals, including supermarkets, that take social responsibility very seriously and pump millions of pounds into charitable causes. As an aside, Nero employs more people in east d than say the chandelier. That's more "locals" with money to spend "locally". Anyway, for what it's worth, ed deli is to be a tortilla. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-789380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Scuffle? Really? I do agree though that the independent business being somehow better for the community is something I've never really understood. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-789385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Oh, I'd heard Tortilla was coming but didn't know what unit they were planning to lease. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/44782-ed-deli-closing/page/5/#findComment-789402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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