MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > C'mon Keef I doubt you went in there with an open mind did you? I reckon you went in thinking "I hate this place" and you always will so it never stands a chance in your book. Not true, I went there thinking "Thank God, somewhere I can get a pint". I don't judge a place and refuse to ever budge, there have been plenty of places I've not really liked, but grown to love, and places I've loved and grown to hate. I have been there recently on a Saturday afternoon, and sat out back smoking in the heated yeard which was quite nice, but the Friday Saturday nights are horrid, and I'm not an old fella who only likes a quiet old boozer. About 2 minutes after they served me a pint and a short, I tried to go out for a smoke, and the doorman said "we're closed, if you go out you stay out!", and then within minutes they're coming round hassling you to finish your pint and get out. Why then do they serve to that time, surely stop serving a bit earlier, and give people time to drink up. Sorry but as it is, it's just The Forresters with a bit of a face lift, no real difference.